Ramadan Riots in Brussels

Sep 20, 2009 09:05

You can find the whole story at http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/09/ramadan-riots-in-brussels.html, assembled by Baron Bodissey from a number of Belgian sources, but the gist of it is that, in what is becoming an annual tradition, mobs of ( Read more... )

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On the bright side ... btripp September 20 2009, 18:03:23 UTC
I suspect that every time something like this happens the BNP moves closer to scoring a few more seats. The only thing that will fix Europe is a Pan-European right-wing revival ... hell, the only thing that will save the US is a crushing right-wing backlash against All Things Obama!


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Re: On the bright side ... jordan179 September 20 2009, 18:16:10 UTC
I suspect that every time something like this happens the BNP moves closer to scoring a few more seats.

Yes. In this case, more importantly Vlaams Belang, the Belgian equivalent party. Note that VB was the only party to urge that the Army be called in on the rioters. A lot of ordinary, decent Belgians who are right now trembling in fear of and rage against the rioters probably approved of that, and this will be remembered come the next election.

The only thing that will fix Europe is a Pan-European right-wing revival ...

Indeed. I'm an optimist on this and think it can be accomplished without an "extra-constitutional excursion" (coup, civil war or revolution), because the voting patterns have already been shifting that way for several years. I do think that there will be violence when the European countries begin enforcing their own laws on the Muslim immigrants, but it will at least be a violence of The Law versus Criminal Scum, rather than of Eurofascism versus Islamofascism. The latter sort of violence could blight the ( ... )

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Re: On the bright side ... sanscouronne September 20 2009, 18:22:21 UTC
Plus, I think the VB will be able to accomplish this more easily than the BNP, considering that the former has had more recent historical domestic (and international) success and legitimacy as a party. The BNP, for all of its recent strides, is still popularly marginalized. The VB is far more successful.

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Re: On the bright side ... mrbogey September 20 2009, 22:18:03 UTC
Well the BNP tends to be too far fascist. While they are the solution to some problems. They are as poisonous as the current parties in other regards.

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Re: On the bright side ... jordan179 September 20 2009, 22:57:30 UTC
The BNP could be part of either a democratic or a Euro-fascist response to Islamo-fascism. A lot depends on how the party reconstructs itself as it begins moving into actual seats of power.

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Re: On the bright side ... jordan179 September 21 2009, 00:38:13 UTC
If you've ever checked out the BNP in any great detail you'd know that it's impossible for them to "reconstruct" themselves.

If that's really true, then the British fate may come down to a choice between Euro-fascism and Islamo-fascism, because so far none of the other parties, not even the Tories, have been willing to take a stand against submission to the immigrants.

On the other hand, such "reconstruction" has happened before in British politics, indeed fairly recently. Would you describe the modern Labour Party as Fabian-Socialist with the goal of bringing about a Communist British economy? It used to be just that, in its left wing as recently as the 1980's.

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Re: On the bright side ... jordan179 September 21 2009, 00:30:08 UTC
Wow, Mr Tripp, you like the BNP? How libertarian of you!

The BNP may not be libertarian, but the Muslim immigrants and the Labour Party are even less libertarian. Sometimes one has only a choice of relative evils, in which case it behooves one to choose the least evil of the alternatives.

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Re: On the bright side ... btripp October 6 2009, 11:01:52 UTC
I suspect that every time something like this happens the BNP moves closer to scoring a few more seats

That would be a tragedy. BNP or similar parties in other European parties won't do anything to fix Europe; but rather isolate themselves from each other politically, militarily and economically, and set the stage for the return of general European warfare.

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Re: On the bright side ... jordan179 October 6 2009, 13:35:18 UTC
Absent a European shift to the right, the Europeans are going to go under to the Muslim immigrants, which would be much worse. It is also possible -- perhaps even probable -- that, as they push toward pluralities based on anti-Muslim sentiments, the right-wing European parties will become less hostile to other Europeans.

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bigotry FAIL btripp October 7 2009, 06:19:28 UTC
Re: bigotry FAIL jordan179 October 7 2009, 14:04:14 UTC
First of all, I'm not "bigoted." Secondly, I'm disagreeing with you, not "failing" -- I am under no requirement to agree with you. Thirdly, you should make a point and then explain the relevance of the article you are quoting to the point, rather than simply citing it as if citing were a magical act which results in automatically winning a debate.

Fourthly, you should have the guts to identify yourself by some handle other than "anonymous."

Anyway, looking at your article, I notice one interesting assumption right in the first two sentences. The article says:

For the number of Muslims to outnumber non-Muslims by midcentury, it would require either breeding on a scale rarely seen in history or for immigration to continue at a pace that's now politically unacceptable. More likely, new controls will slow Muslim immigration.

But "new controls" are not a force of Nature, they would be a political decision of the Europeans, and one resulting from the European move to the Right. The European Left, at present, has absolutely no will ( ... )

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