hehehe... wouldn't it be kinda interesting if the plural for "dimension" was "dimentia"? might it not explain a bit about schizophrenia? singular = "schizophrenion"? ... kinda like phenomen-a/on
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Generally, I haven't thought prime numbers were a big deal in fundamental physics.
Numbers, like distance between objects, have units, so can't really be fixed primes. The distance to the Sun--is that a prime? Depends how you measure.
There are a few quantities in physics that are unitless, like the fine structure constant which is near 1/137 but not exactly 1/137. Nobody knows how to explain these values. We find them from observation only.
The only place I know of in nature where prime numbers are favored is in the times for cicadas to recur.
I don't remember whether the role that primes play in Godel numbering for Godel's theorem is fundamental or whether that can be done without primes...
But you are suggesting, I think, that signaling within the brain uses some of the same encryption techniques based on the factoring of large numbers into primes... Or do I misunderstand you?
Fibonacci numbers show up a lot in nature, in flower petals, plants like pineapple and artichoke, and even in the tubulins that make up the structure of animal cells.
So that's the point I didn't get from your entry: what exactly are prime numbers doing in all of this?
what are primes doing in all of this?jjaelNovember 9 2005, 18:07:56 UTC
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you wrote: "But you are suggesting, I think, that signaling within the brain uses some of the same encryption techniques based on the factoring of large numbers into primes... Or do I misunderstand you?"
that's sort of what i am suggesting.
i am suggesting that there may well be a quantum process in the brain that scales, using pinary powers of the Golden Mean, what it interprets as a signal from a higher-order dimensional realm . The pinary part is what helps distinguish a more apparently fixed pattern in what might otherwise be considered a completely irrational sequence of data. without this "signal-fixation" there may not be any information that suggests a pattern for more macroscopic natural processes to follow.
encryption method processing of large numbers into prime factors may not truly represent what i am getting at, because for some reason in my head i feel it is moving the wrong direction in the mental hierarchy... what i mean is that the process speak to me of interpreting sense data from four dimensional spacetime and trying to map it into larger scale/dimensional models. this is a process that certainly IS happening in the brain, but i also believe that there is signaling from higher-order dimensions that maps out the framework for our perceptions of just what four dimensional spacetime really is as well.
perhaps, as in your example of the fine structure constant, without this kind of "signal-fixation" there would ONLY be unitless, quantaless arrangement in all our observations.
but considering our observations ARE so discrete, and if a "signal-fixation/frequency modulation model" is at all close to reality, then perhaps the remaining unitless constants we observe are the product of an insufficiently complex structure by which we are observing them, say perhaps our approximation methods of calculus. (i really DON'T have the personal tools for a sophisticated enough discussion on the limitations of calculus, so this comment is truly a digression from my main point, but it is something that i am searching for in predictive values for this model.)
hopefully, i will soon be able to post more on this.
Re: what are primes doing in all of this?bramNovember 14 2005, 01:35:37 UTC
Actually, I am ignoranter than I thought. The Riemann Zeta function can be used in calculations of the Casimir effect, and apparently in string theory too. I'm still not convinced that it has fundamental importance.
Numbers, like distance between objects, have units, so can't really be fixed primes. The distance to the Sun--is that a prime? Depends how you measure.
There are a few quantities in physics that are unitless, like the fine structure constant which is near 1/137 but not exactly 1/137. Nobody knows how to explain these values. We find them from observation only.
The only place I know of in nature where prime numbers are favored is in the times for cicadas to recur.
I don't remember whether the role that primes play in Godel numbering for Godel's theorem is fundamental or whether that can be done without primes...
But you are suggesting, I think, that signaling within the brain uses some of the same encryption techniques based on the factoring of large numbers into primes... Or do I misunderstand you?
Fibonacci numbers show up a lot in nature, in flower petals, plants like pineapple and artichoke, and even in the tubulins that make up the structure of animal cells.
So that's the point I didn't get from your entry: what exactly are prime numbers doing in all of this?
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you wrote: "But you are suggesting, I think, that signaling within the brain uses some of the same encryption techniques based on the factoring of large numbers into primes... Or do I misunderstand you?"
that's sort of what i am suggesting.
i am suggesting that there may well be a quantum process in the brain that scales, using pinary powers of the Golden Mean, what it interprets as a signal from a higher-order dimensional realm . The pinary part is what helps distinguish a more apparently fixed pattern in what might otherwise be considered a completely irrational sequence of data. without this "signal-fixation" there may not be any information that suggests a pattern for more macroscopic natural processes to follow.
encryption method processing of large numbers into prime factors may not truly represent what i am getting at, because for some reason in my head i feel it is moving the wrong direction in the mental hierarchy... what i mean is that the process speak to me of interpreting sense data from four dimensional spacetime and trying to map it into larger scale/dimensional models. this is a process that certainly IS happening in the brain, but i also believe that there is signaling from higher-order dimensions that maps out the framework for our perceptions of just what four dimensional spacetime really is as well.
perhaps, as in your example of the fine structure constant, without this kind of "signal-fixation" there would ONLY be unitless, quantaless arrangement in all our observations.
but considering our observations ARE so discrete, and if a "signal-fixation/frequency modulation model" is at all close to reality, then perhaps the remaining unitless constants we observe are the product of an insufficiently complex structure by which we are observing them, say perhaps our approximation methods of calculus. (i really DON'T have the personal tools for a sophisticated enough discussion on the limitations of calculus, so this comment is truly a digression from my main point, but it is something that i am searching for in predictive values for this model.)
hopefully, i will soon be able to post more on this.
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