And I have to say I had a really great time. But I think checking my email was a huge mistake because I think my con high has skidded and I'm down in the dumps
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The "are you aware there is even a Jack O'Neill" part is hilarious too... so are they saying that Jack exists only because of the S/J ship? Jack isn't much more than Sam's lover (I thought he was also a soldier, a hockey fan, a Simpsons fan, an astronomy buff, and snarker extraordinaire)?
I guess it depends on who you ask. /snerks/ I wasn't aware he was "attached" to anyone but his job, which, if he "loved" Sam so much he could have left to be with her (legally b/c of the military issue) so many times!! I guess he's a nice prop and that's it. Too bad. The Jack O'Neill I know (and love) is much more then a prop, and much smarter too. I wonder if *they* are aware there is more to their Jack O'Neill...
Well, to be fair to the Sam/Jack shippers, you can also argue that Sam and Jack put their service to their country before any of their own personal feelings. That would make them heroic and selfless and I respect that in the characters :)
Exactly. I think it was a noble thing for Sam to let go of her personal feelings for Jack in 'Grace' and continue to serve. There were many conversations I bet between her and Pete alone about duty vs family. She's a military brat so she understands her duty is to Country first before Relationship. I think some of that got skewed in the early seasons somewhat whit the s/j ship, but she has never let her feelings get in the way of doing her job.
Totally agree with you guys. I know some people have said that they want Sam to be more than the sum of her boyfriends, well Jack is more than the sum of his...girlfriend? That didn't come out right... sum of his relationship with Sam. Or something like that.
And I know that she says something like "what if I leave the airforce" to Jack in Threads but I bet Jack would have been thinking about how much Sam is a soldier and that she wouldn't quit over something like this. It's too important to her.
On the flip side or the coin I know people who think the shippy stuff in S7 and 8 has ruined Sam's character and they think she is a nitwit who is jealous of Daniel for some reason, I think jealous about the rapport he has with Jack (I kid you not, I've seen some people say this). And they say they can see it whenever Daniel would make a point or tell them about a plan of his, and she'd immediately go, "I don't think so."
Hmmm......... I tell ya, it's all complicated. I like to find a happy medium in there.
Okay first - LOL @ those icons... they are perfect for dealing with these people!!! Heh...
I am now realizing why there are so many non-shippers... the whole thing is just so freaking retarded sometimes (though the shippers bug them sometimes too I guess). People like this can make it that way.
The thing that is weird - of all the shippers (and even slashers) I've known it seems that some of the most obsessed and vicious are either D/V or S/J (not saying this is every D/V or S/J shipper, but some of the craziest ones I've seen). I find fans of other pairings to be pretty nice and respectful. Funny how that works sometimes...
Yeah they just keep spreadin' the mantra. If they feel the need to defend it so much it sounds like they're insecure or bitter. Hmm........
And isn't that what fanfic is all about? To bring us stuff that we don't always (or in some cases ever) see in the show? Geez if it's not a pairing you like leave the shippers be and play somewhere else.
This sort of stuff is why I remain steadfastly a NOROMO (No ROMance Onscreen), but I'm all for whatever stirs your coffee for fanfic.
It seems like anytime TPTB decide which ship is supposed to be canon, even if it's not outright stated onscreen such as with S/J that could never happen in canon without both of them risking their careers, then the more virulent shippers latch onto this as "proof" of what they want to see, and they're right and anyone seeing anything else is wrongity wrong WRONG
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I'm pretty much the same way. I don't really ship onscreen and I leave it for fanfic. I just root for the friendship moments (and teaminess) onscreen nowadays.
I've noticed that too. At the con this weekend there were a couple of S/J shippers talking about the fact that Sam had included a photo of Jack in her office in SGA, and that is the "proof" (along with the fact there is a scene that was cut where she mentions something about visiting Washington D.C... but come on, it was cut!).
Exactly - that's what I've always thought about fanfiction and why I have so much fun with it.
I agree with you about the S/J. Someone else once told me that not only is S/J canon, but that it *is* the show (funny, I seem to remember these other characters named Daniel, Teal'c, Janet, Hammond.... maybe I was watching a different show).
And then there was the D/V shipper who kept telling me to open up my eyes to this beautiful relationship. It is sad that people who aren't having fun have to ruin it for those who like having fun.
I hate to break to to those shippers, but there were fans on a set tour who saw Weir's office before it was known for certain that Carter would be replacing her, and they reported seeing pictures of all of SG-1 there. So unless they're onboard with a team orgy
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*snerk* :D Come to think of it I remember reading a report about that. Not only were there pictures of Jack, but I believe also Cassie and Daniel. I missed the season premiere so I don't know if any of them showed up in that episode
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Came here by way of moonshadye to drop a word of encouragement. Ignore the idiots. You can ship whoever you darn well please in fanfic. That's the beauty of it! If they don't like it, they can lump it. (Yes, I am twelve when it comes to something like this.) Who do these people think they are? They need to get over themselves.
Thanks for the support. :) I totally agree - some people take this stuff way too seriously. And I guess their screen name (BallBreaker) fits them well.
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The "are you aware there is even a Jack O'Neill" part is hilarious too... so are they saying that Jack exists only because of the S/J ship? Jack isn't much more than Sam's lover (I thought he was also a soldier, a hockey fan, a Simpsons fan, an astronomy buff, and snarker extraordinaire)?
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And I know that she says something like "what if I leave the airforce" to Jack in Threads but I bet Jack would have been thinking about how much Sam is a soldier and that she wouldn't quit over something like this. It's too important to her.
On the flip side or the coin I know people who think the shippy stuff in S7 and 8 has ruined Sam's character and they think she is a nitwit who is jealous of Daniel for some reason, I think jealous about the rapport he has with Jack (I kid you not, I've seen some people say this). And they say they can see it whenever Daniel would make a point or tell them about a plan of his, and she'd immediately go, "I don't think so."
Hmmm......... I tell ya, it's all complicated. I like to find a happy medium in there.
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I am now realizing why there are so many non-shippers... the whole thing is just so freaking retarded sometimes (though the shippers bug them sometimes too I guess). People like this can make it that way.
The thing that is weird - of all the shippers (and even slashers) I've known it seems that some of the most obsessed and vicious are either D/V or S/J (not saying this is every D/V or S/J shipper, but some of the craziest ones I've seen). I find fans of other pairings to be pretty nice and respectful. Funny how that works sometimes...
Yeah they just keep spreadin' the mantra. If they feel the need to defend it so much it sounds like they're insecure or bitter. Hmm........
And isn't that what fanfic is all about? To bring us stuff that we don't always (or in some cases ever) see in the show? Geez if it's not a pairing you like leave the shippers be and play somewhere else.
/rant off ;)
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It seems like anytime TPTB decide which ship is supposed to be canon, even if it's not outright stated onscreen such as with S/J that could never happen in canon without both of them risking their careers, then the more virulent shippers latch onto this as "proof" of what they want to see, and they're right and anyone seeing anything else is wrongity wrong WRONG ( ... )
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I've noticed that too. At the con this weekend there were a couple of S/J shippers talking about the fact that Sam had included a photo of Jack in her office in SGA, and that is the "proof" (along with the fact there is a scene that was cut where she mentions something about visiting Washington D.C... but come on, it was cut!).
Exactly - that's what I've always thought about fanfiction and why I have so much fun with it.
I agree with you about the S/J. Someone else once told me that not only is S/J canon, but that it *is* the show (funny, I seem to remember these other characters named Daniel, Teal'c, Janet, Hammond.... maybe I was watching a different show).
And then there was the D/V shipper who kept telling me to open up my eyes to this beautiful relationship. It is sad that people who aren't having fun have to ruin it for those who like having fun.
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Seriously.
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They're now on my blocked list.
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