Comments | ivy_chan: mudballs and the tone argument

ivy_chan

mudballs and the tone argument

Jun 20, 2010 03:31

All right. I was going to go to sleep, but I'll write this up real quick before I go ( Read more... )

discussion, fandom, stop waving that privilege around, race, meta

Comments 5

celarania June 20 2010, 08:04:19 UTC

To a certain extent I agree, but I think at some point continuing to yell at them won't help anyone, especially if this is indeed the product of institutional racism. If that's the case, I'd say it's more like throwing the mudball after someone told you it was okay. You made a horrid mess, but then you have so many people yelling at you. It was wrong, you're sorry, but at some point the mob does just become too vengeful I'd say. (I'd argue this in any case, just like after some point the art theft mobs get to be too much ( ... )

ivy_chan June 20 2010, 08:16:14 UTC

Calling this 'mob justice' is really inappropriate. It's a bunch of people expressing their feelings to an author who put out something hurtful. Those who were hurt have the right to express how they were hurt. It might not make a difference, but they deserve the right to say: "Hey. This fic upset me. It offended me. Your story is part of a system that makes my people backdrops to the lives of yours." There weren't 20-50 comments saying she was a horrible human being. There were 20-50 comments saying: 'your story hurts people and is built on the dismissal of living, breathing human beings.'

Also, another problem is the focus on this author, rather than the focus on the people hurt by the fanfic. We should not be focusing on this author. She is not the victim, she should not be the target of our sympathy.

celarania June 20 2010, 15:52:37 UTC

I'm retracting a lot of what I said because It looks like the author is 33 and should know better (it was late when I first posted and I wasn't up to research). I mean a 13 year-old should know better too, but likely aren't as subtle and don't tend to think about the consequences as much. Basically, she doesn't have the excuse of being young and stupid anymore. To a certain extent, she made her bed and now she has to lie in it ( ... )

aerodactylus June 21 2010, 03:07:24 UTC

Can I just ask what this fic was? I haven't heard anything about this situation.

ivy_chan June 21 2010, 03:45:51 UTC

Here's another post I made on the matter that should explain more.