The previous entry by cranberriesboy prompted me to write this, and, although I could have simply let this as a comment, I believe it is different enough an entry to make it a new post
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Re: Good in theory, lousy in practice.doc_neuroJuly 13 2005, 09:09:21 UTC
de juro vs de facto. under law they are equal, practice is something else. it is however worth noting that a higher percentage of ashkenazi jews feel that israeli arabas are discriminated against than israeli arabs feel israeli arabs are discriminated against.
In the Israeli mind, this might make a little bit of sense--at least the recently immigrated Israeli from the West. For the established Israelis, this is a tribal issue; for the Israeli youth it is a self-perpetuating cycle of passive aggressivity and subconcious survival response. For the Palestinians, this is an honor issue.
At leat that is my humble and very possibly incorrect understanding at the moment
compared to the state of things when Yassir Arafat took direct control of the Palestinian Authority in 1993 in the Oslo Peace Accords, yes, there was relative peace. There was no need for a barrier; there was no such thing as a suicide bombing; Israelis and Palestinians lived in mutual tolerance of each other (ie. Western and Jewish tourists could enter the Muslim quarter of the Jerusalem without fear of being killed -- this is what people have told me from direct experience); and the universities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were built to promote education for all of the people living under the auspices of Israel. Yes, Palestinians and Israelis lived in relative peace from 1967-1993. There were rocky places in between, but not nearly as bad as it is now.
there was an intifadeh that lasted most of the way through the eighties. quite a brutal thing. thousands dead. waves of terror attacks. because of the nature of the combat with palestinian combatants hiding among civilians it was an absolute PR disaster for Israel, with numerous pictures of Israelis pointing guns at palestinian children, with the masked hamas men holding molotov cocktails standing behind the children left out of the picture. and my god the heydey of Black September, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and other groups PLO backed or PLO aligned constituted the al qaedas of their day. Israelis were attacked just like now in their own country, only they were also attacked right and left abroad, wherever they went. palestinians were all over lebanon (the reason it was fought in fact). the list goes on and on. the assertion that there was even relative peace from 1967-93 might possibly be one of the most ignorant things ive ever heard from you. June 12 1967...thats when the war first began. a low intensity conflict that
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I questioned why both sides couldn't simply drop their guns and negotiate peace
Israel was ready to drop the guns and negotiate peace 10 years ago. However, while Arabs got the negotiating piece alrgiht, they somehow skipped the part of dropping the guns. Instead, they drop human bombs and rockets on Israel civilians. How let's ask ourselves - why it can't be peace when there are constant murders happen? Yes, it must be "American mentality" - if not the mentality, Israelis would happily be murdered and consider this perfect peace.
How 'bout we shoot for that instead of playing the blame game over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Yes, how about shooting for that instead of shooting Kassams, eh?
Now, I'm anticipating that some asshole will want to respond with something to the point of "they started it, though, and here's why..." Please, don't bother. At this point it doesn't matter. At this point in the game no one in this community is going to switch sides, and nothing productive is going to happen when you continue this juvenile idiocy.
Thank you for providing me with an example. I'm just disappointed that it came from the pro-Israel side.
Example of what? That you and the author of the article are ready to call an asshole anybody who is not ready to buy whatever bullshit he writes wholesale? You are welcome. There is a lot of idiots that think "oh, why can't we just get along - it must be those cruel american-mentality assholes, that try to confuse us with reality and insist somebody should be responsible for what one does - as soon as we get rid of them we'll live in paradise". Well, think again. If you can, of course.
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At leat that is my humble and very possibly incorrect understanding at the moment
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Yes, Palestinians and Israelis lived in relative peace from 1967-1993. There were rocky places in between, but not nearly as bad as it is now.
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Israel was ready to drop the guns and negotiate peace 10 years ago. However, while Arabs got the negotiating piece alrgiht, they somehow skipped the part of dropping the guns. Instead, they drop human bombs and rockets on Israel civilians. How let's ask ourselves - why it can't be peace when there are constant murders happen? Yes, it must be "American mentality" - if not the mentality, Israelis would happily be murdered and consider this perfect peace.
How 'bout we shoot for that instead of playing the blame game over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Yes, how about shooting for that instead of shooting Kassams, eh?
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Thank you for providing me with an example. I'm just disappointed that it came from the pro-Israel side.
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