The previous entry by cranberriesboy prompted me to write this, and, although I could have simply let this as a comment, I believe it is different enough an entry to make it a new post
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compared to the state of things when Yassir Arafat took direct control of the Palestinian Authority in 1993 in the Oslo Peace Accords, yes, there was relative peace. There was no need for a barrier; there was no such thing as a suicide bombing; Israelis and Palestinians lived in mutual tolerance of each other (ie. Western and Jewish tourists could enter the Muslim quarter of the Jerusalem without fear of being killed -- this is what people have told me from direct experience); and the universities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were built to promote education for all of the people living under the auspices of Israel. Yes, Palestinians and Israelis lived in relative peace from 1967-1993. There were rocky places in between, but not nearly as bad as it is now.
there was an intifadeh that lasted most of the way through the eighties. quite a brutal thing. thousands dead. waves of terror attacks. because of the nature of the combat with palestinian combatants hiding among civilians it was an absolute PR disaster for Israel, with numerous pictures of Israelis pointing guns at palestinian children, with the masked hamas men holding molotov cocktails standing behind the children left out of the picture. and my god the heydey of Black September, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and other groups PLO backed or PLO aligned constituted the al qaedas of their day. Israelis were attacked just like now in their own country, only they were also attacked right and left abroad, wherever they went. palestinians were all over lebanon (the reason it was fought in fact). the list goes on and on. the assertion that there was even relative peace from 1967-93 might possibly be one of the most ignorant things ive ever heard from you. June 12 1967...thats when the war first began. a low intensity conflict that
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Then please explain to me how the university system in the Gaza Strip and West Bank was established if sentiments were the same or worse than they are now? Please explain to me why Jewish tourists could go into the Arab Quarter of Jerusalem with minimal fear in the 1970's, but cannot today?
i was in the arab quarter of jerusalem with minimal fear just last august. hell I went to ramallah. the only people who are afraid are candy-ass americans who believe that israel is characterized by a suicide bomber around every streetcorner and lurking in every alleyway.
the nature of low intensity conflict is that it erupts in pockets and does not go on consistently in one place. so you can build a universtiy in one place while the IDF is in a shootout someplace else and a hamas sniper is taking out jewish children on a settlement somewhere else.
The current status of relations between Palestinians and Israelis is much calmer than it was only 3 years ago, but, form what I understand, it was an even lower-intensity conflict in between the 1967 war and Yassir Arafat's return in 1993.
it was not. it was in point of fact markedly higher. that was why Israel went into lebanon in the first place. that was why the Oslo Process came about. people were just tired of all the killing and dying. the lull in the fighting was between 93 and 2000 with a brief flare up for a year or so during netanyahu's tenure.
doc, I'm talking about the West Bank and Gaza Strip, not Hezbollah and Lebanon. Perhaps I'm lacking the knowledge, but I don't see the connection between the Palestinians in the West Bank and the Israelis, and the relations between Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Israel.
no, hezbollah came later. it was actually born of a union between palestinians and several shiia militia. Israel initially went in there chasing PLO terrorists (in particular yasser arafat) who were there under the protection of the Syrian Army and launching terror attacks cross border with impunity. remember it was a good long while that yasser arafat was not allowed in the west bank. he got the PLO booted out of Jordan on "Black September" of I believe it was 1970 when he attempted to collapse the hashemite monarchy using a fairly similar MO to what he was doing in Israel. King Abdullah for his part was far less patient or humanitarian than the Israelis were and simply kicked out more than a million palestinians in response. arafat was banished to tunisia. he made his comeback in lebanon. the israelis whooped the shit out of the syrians in a matter of days, but what bogged them down in beirut was the fact that every time the IDF turned the corner there was another PLO guerilla with an M16 waiting to take a potshot at them. hezbollah
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Yes, Palestinians and Israelis lived in relative peace from 1967-1993. There were rocky places in between, but not nearly as bad as it is now.
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the nature of low intensity conflict is that it erupts in pockets and does not go on consistently in one place. so you can build a universtiy in one place while the IDF is in a shootout someplace else and a hamas sniper is taking out jewish children on a settlement somewhere else.
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