racism still exists, this much is true. what kills me is how folks think because they're not lynching black folk and/or calling them nigger that it automatically means they're not racist
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re: "then i thought about it and had to change my mind on my response. see, the thing of it is, racism doesn't just go away by itself. it's not one of those things that with time will just disappear without effort from folks to get rid of it. racism will be here until folks start doing something about it
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anonymous
September 1 2004, 08:59:26 UTC
iwarrior's comments about Blacks not doing much about their own plight stung a bit. I won't lie. However, I'm okay with it enough to still defend him because 1) I think it was just an example of the kind of desperation a person feels when they're constantly attacked - and then by one of the few people whom they THOUGHT were on their side (hope that makes sense) and 2) he's right that a number of Black leaders have said many of the same things, although with a bit more tact and prudence. It doesn't completely erase it, but I can let it slide. Nothing like being backed into a corner
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Re: i agree with you on the last partiniquitous1September 1 2004, 11:55:14 UTC
what you say makes sense, and i was and am on his side. the thing is, i would expect him to be just as critical of my actions if were in his shoes (and by critical i don't mean insulting like many of the folks said there, but critical in a way that brings about self-examination
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Re: i agree with you on the last part
anonymous
September 1 2004, 12:38:53 UTC
I try to think of this like religion. A religious person might say that my living with my girlfriend (and all that entails) is wrong and threatens my, her, and our potential child's eternal souls. By the rationale of the people in that thread, the religious people I encounter are each obligated to tell me exactly how they feel if I start talking about my "sinful" habits around them. Their feelings will be known, this is true. However, no one wants to be preached at (although we all sometimes need it). It's not even practical for each of us to fight every battle every time. (I know racists and sinners aren't the same situations, but both have very real consequences to the person who objects to them
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Re: i agree with you on the last partiniquitous1September 1 2004, 13:30:14 UTC
honestly? i didn't even read 90% of what everyone wrote other than iwarrior. it just got too ugly. i tried to make the situation light by calling koop a drill sergeant, but that didn't work.
again, i see your point. however, the situations would be comparable if you had solicited the religious person's advice when it came to your living situation with your girl.
iwarrior asked what i thought he should do and i told him what i thought he should do.
Re: i agree with you on the last part
anonymous
September 1 2004, 15:04:28 UTC
You're right. Flawed analogy.
Also, thanks for commenting on the thread. I think the responses since my next-to-last post have been... lacking, but I see no point in responding further. We'll see if that changes.
Re: i agree with you on the last part
anonymous
September 1 2004, 15:23:54 UTC
Crap.
Call me Kerry b/c I'm a flip-flopper.
I just recalled that my analogy applied to iwarrior's situation with the racists at his job. iwarrior would be the religious person and the racists would be the sinners.
I just realized that as I was e-walking away. My brain may be mush, but I'm glad for what I did, glad for your and Ed's support, and damned glad to be home from work.
Re: i agree with you on the last part
anonymous
September 1 2004, 13:27:48 UTC
Also, I'd like to suggest that if you feel the way I do, that you say so in that thread. My main point has been that too many of us walk by the beat-down without helping the victim up.
Tom and others can continue to believe or say that there's no clique at CBR, as long as only one or two people disagree. If more people say it (only if they believe it, of course), it'd be harder to ignore, imo.
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again, i see your point. however, the situations would be comparable if you had solicited the religious person's advice when it came to your living situation with your girl.
iwarrior asked what i thought he should do and i told him what i thought he should do.
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Also, thanks for commenting on the thread. I think the responses since my next-to-last post have been... lacking, but I see no point in responding further. We'll see if that changes.
Thanks, again.
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Call me Kerry b/c I'm a flip-flopper.
I just recalled that my analogy applied to iwarrior's situation with the racists at his job. iwarrior would be the religious person and the racists would be the sinners.
I just realized that as I was e-walking away. My brain may be mush, but I'm glad for what I did, glad for your and Ed's support, and damned glad to be home from work.
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Tom and others can continue to believe or say that there's no clique at CBR, as long as only one or two people disagree. If more people say it (only if they believe it, of course), it'd be harder to ignore, imo.
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