Hidden Identity-Chapter 11

[iantojjackh]

Title: Hidden Identity- Chapter 11/13 + Epilogue
Author: Iantojjackh
Rating: PG
Summary: Jack and Ianto have returned to Earth and brought the 456 with them. It's just another day in the adventures of Jack and Ianto and the identity of the shadowy figure is revealed.
Characters: Jack Harkness, Alonso Frame, Gwen Cooper, Rhys Williams, Rhiannon Davies, Ianto

Comments

[badly_knitted]

Ooooh, interesting way of fitting all the bits together! Still can't say I like Frobisher being the Doctor, but at least you've explained it and this Doctor seems less judgmental towards Jack. Now to finish the 456 for good! Preferably without Gwen finding them and having another go at Jack.

[iantojjackh]

Thanks.

Since I was in the middle of writing this when Capaldi was announced I knew I couldn't ignore the connection because before that I was thinking of taking this as a MD AU but with this I was able to ignore it.

Ha you can never get rid of Gwen that easily.

[jackdavfan692]

I'm glad their plan to deal with Gwen worked :]! A shame Ianto had to stand there and take it from her, though :(. I liked the way you described his feelings as he was listening to her 8).

I knew that's who the shadowy figure was =)! Great way to figure Twelve in, and explain exactly why that incarnation of the Doctor ends up resembling Frobisher in the first place.

You wrote Jack's and Ianto's interactions with him really well, too- just the right mix of emotions on both their parts- some anger & rage toward him at first, but gradually more calmness, understanding, and respectfulness as he explains himself. I liked the way you wrote him, too (I'd imagine if Twelve does encounter Jack at some point, their interaction may very well unfold in a similar way, depending on what point in Jack's life that meeting occurs, and whether Moffat will decide to acknowledge "Miracle Day" as well as COE.). And YAY that he's going to let Jack and Ianto stay together C=!

When I started posting this I did not realise how perfectly this would time

[iantojjackh]

Thank you.

The timing really was unintentional. This piece was originally supposed to be only 11 chapters w/ the sequel, but it split two chapters up for dramatic effect.

[tardisjournal]

Enter, Twelfth Doctor! Great timing indeed!

Great explanation for the Doctor resembling that rat bastard Frobisher. It just figures that the explanation for the Doctor allowing the whole CoE sequence of events to occur is that something WORSE would have happened if he didn't! That vision of UNIT persecuting TW for the "other" time the 456 came was chilling!

[iantojjackh]

Thank you.

Yes while I think Ten would have been happy to let the 456 do as they pleased, but this one could not let that happen and I have no idea where the idea that 11 would not have existed unless Frobisher changed things. I gotta stay away from the crazy timey whimey stuff.

[too_beauty]

I could finally caught up with all the chapters!
wow, Gwen and Rhiannon are truly pissed off and now the appearance of the new Doctor was totally unexpected but you could explain it so convincingly. I still don't like him ....

[iantojjackh]

Thank you.

Yeah not many people would like Frobisher. It was hard coming up with a plausible connection.

[bluelilacs]

I figured it was probably the Doctor, showing up because they'd come to Earth after they agreed not to, but I never even thought of it being Twelve. That really was excellent timing on your part.

I wondered if you were going to make it possible for the boys to be the conduit this time since they have the necessary connection with the 456. It sounds even better when you throw in the idea of getting rid of all of them, not just the ones currently orbiting the Earth.

I'm still not sure I'm on board with it being Peter Capaldi playing him, but I guess he deserves the chance to prove me wrong. I don't know if I'll be able to get past seeing him as Frobisher, who I detested.

[jackdavfan692]

No? Even with how different from Frobisher he'll look as the Doctor? *Pokes avatar* That's what'll do the trick for me, I think (actually, TBH, because I've been looking forward to seeing him as the Doctor pretty much since he was announced, Frobisher never once crossed my mind in the few seconds of Twelve we got at the end of TOTD. We'll see how I feel once he's recovered from his post-regeneration confusion, but I suspect I'll have the same mindset.), and once we find out what kind of man Twelve is, that will distance Capaldi even further in my mind from his role as Frobisher.

I guess he deserves the chance to prove me wrong.
I think you could be pleasantly surprised :]. Uberfan of the show Capaldi is, and how well he knows it (he's watched it from the beginning, e.g. since "An Unearthly Child" in 1963), as well as how much he's always wanted to play the Doctor, I imagine distancing his portrayal of the Doctor from those of Malcolm Tucker in The Thick Of It, Caecilius in "The Fires Of Pompeii", and Frobisher in COE is/was probably

[bluelilacs]

You could be right, but I really, REALLY hated the appalling writing in CoE and the way they made the whole team look stupid and totally incompetent, so I'll have to wait and see if that continues to completely overshadow it for me. CoE was a complete clusterfuck in my mind and Frobisher was a major part of that, so I don't know yet. We'll see.

[jackdavfan692]

Ah, got it :]. So it was the writing and the mini-series as a whole, rather than just the character himself. I get that. *Nods*
I really, REALLY hated the appalling writing in CoE and the way they made the whole team look stupid and totally incompetent
That, in addition to Ianto being killed off (which was, in itself, a direct result of the team being, as you put it, written as "stupid and totally incompetent") were a couple of the major qualms I had about it too. *Nods again*

Yep, we will :).