Re: whoa! lmao! <3sherrilinaMay 9 2010, 07:00:11 UTC
Aww, I don't think Crowley has become Cas for Dean, not even close, he went off with Crowley, yes, but it was clear he was not very close to Crowley, did not trust him very much or think much of him--not like Cas....
Exactly, ugh, you put in words what Im feeling so much better than I do, haha, thats why I loved that Sam/Cas scene. Cas was doing for Sam, what Dean wasnt, and couldnt really, he was being understanding and supportive, as stupid the plan was. And like you said, I can see the respect between them, and I could ~feel Sam's concern for Cas. So, right now, these two are being written so much better than dean/cas. And that kills me. :(
Yes, there has been a marked increase I think in showing Sam's concern for Cas, (esp. 5x16-5x19), though it could also relate to him being more a support pilar for *everyone* in the group these days, not just Cas, since he was doing the same for Dean as well (though personally the Sassiteer in me would like to think that Sam is also growing more and more concerned for Cas in of himself! ;))
But I don't think this epp should be taken to show that Dean doesn't care about Cas either anymore--I mean, he kept saying, "We're going to get Cas back!" all determined-like, I think he might be more preoccupied about his brother and the prospect of losing him though (and though I don't ship Wincest, I do think that Sam is the most important person to Dean in the world, hands down, however much he loves Cas as well). The episode opens with him finding out this plan and yelling at Sam for it, Cas's call interrupts this argument, I'm sure it influenced how he talked with Cas somewhat.
*hug* So don't give up hope yet! At least they are still interacting...*thinks of Arthur/Morgana and cries*
Bobby irked me a lot this episode, even in that scene with Sam and Cas in the warehouse... Im just not liking how he treated Cas, hell, he didnt even want to wire Cas the money so that he could get out of there.
Exactly, the warehouse thing annoyed me too, why then was he suddenly snapping, saying, "Can we go do our act of domestic terrorism now?" as if Cas were somehow stopping him, when all he did was step in and save Sam, which BOBBY couldn't manage! *rolleyes* I wonder if Bobby is just jealous/put out that Cas did that and he couldn't....that was just another moment in which Bobby showed unwarranted antagonism or sarcasm/bitchiness towards Cas! And I forgot about the wire transfer thing, another bitchy moment! >:( It's really a cumulative thing, not just that one scene....
I mean come on, Cas has been an invaluable ally--hiding the boys from angel view, saving the boys from Zach in 5x01 and Lucifer in 5x10, bringing them back in time to save their parents and themselves at great personal cost in 5x13, guiding them in heaven in 5x16, giving them the info/weapon they needed to kill the Whore of Babylon in 5x17, retrieving Dean and then sacrificing himself to help the boys get Adam in 5x18, etc....he is part of their Team Free Will, and still has lots of knowledge crucial to their success....and Bobby doesn't want to help him rejoin them?! Come on now! *rolleyes*
Thats what broke me, CAS HAS NO ONE, no one cared to talk to him, ask him how he was doing! D: After all he's given up, and lost, FOR THEM, he still cant call these guys his "friends". He is so alone in his misery. :(
IDK about Bobby, but I DO think he still has Dean and Cas to care about him, he can still call them his friends....but friends do have their ups and downs sometimes, they can be preoccupied....like do you watch Being Human? I was so pissed at Mitchell for barely paying attn to Annie (I ship M/A, they used to be so close) when she was assaulted, b/c he was so preoccupied with his own vampiric affairs...but I do think he still cares for her, it's evident at the end of the series, it's just humans aren't perfect, sometimes they forget to think of others, or are distracted. Like Dean was in this epp.
Dean/Crowley right now are like Dean and Cas in S4, where Dean didnt trust Cas, not really, but there was this comfort between them. Its painful for me to watch. :(
I never bought Sam/Cas, I just couldnt imagine Cas having the kind of connection he has with Dean, with Sam, or anyone else, for that matter. But now, with Dean being so distant, and Sam reaching out to Cas, being concerned for him, and Cas being supportive of Sam, and believing in him, I can see it! And even I have to admit that it isnt entirely cuz Sam's showing a lot of maturity and trying to be there for everyone... these two are finally forming a bond, Sam clearly repects Cas, has a certain fondness for him too, and I can kinda see it being reciprocated.
Yeah, Dean wasnt really in the right mood then, what with Sam telling him that he wants to kill himself to trap Lucifer, I can see why Dean didnt get all emotional when Cas called him, but Im still upset with how ~cold that scene was. :(
I will die crying if it gets any worse than this. D: Aw! I dont watch Merlin, but I want to. *hugs*
I love Bobby, I really do, but he was unforgivably mean to Cas, without any valid reason. I couldnt understand why Cas was bugging him so. And like you said, he's only helped the boys, and saved their asses too many times to count, one would imagine Bobby would be grateful. But maybe thats what is eating him, that he wasnt the one to do it. *shrugs*
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I know the guys have bigger shit to worry about, and Ive been consoling myself with that for a while, there have been so many times that Cas has needed support and help (or just needed to be shown some appreciation) and has been offered none, and I told myself that everyone's messed up, and they have more urgent things to focus on, but now its starting to bug me, its bad writing, its isnt 'in character' or right or understandable anymore.
Comfort b/t Dean and Crowley? :s Um, where? I didn't see any of the sympathy for Dean from Crowley that Cas consistently expressed in season 4 (from the "You don't think you deserve to be saved?" to the hand on his shoulder in 4x03), and you don't hear Dean making up any familiar nicknames for Crowley, do you? I don't see what you are talking about...
I think the beginnings of S/C comes from Sam's first fangirly meeting with Cas and awe of angels, and his faith, which while tested is still there all along. And he and Cas are both nerds! :p
And yikes, well if you watch Merlin and like Morgana, or Arthur/Morgana, then be prepared for MAJOR disappointment in season 2! :( (They basically almost pretend like they never had any kind of relationship period, even as siblings, and the lack of concern Arthur shows Morgana is appalling!)
Someone was saying Bobby might have been testy b/c he had just sold his soul and was worried about that....but if the writers had been able to explore that more, his conflict about that, then it would have come off better, I think.
And lol, gotta love Toothless, yes, pulled that one off of SPNP! ;)
And I think Dean and Sam have been reaching out to Cas, at various moments, Dean in 5x03, both of them in 5x13, Sam in the end of 5x16, Dean and Sam in 5x17, etc. So I wouldn't say that, per say...
LMFAO! Sorry bb, I just reread what I wrote in my previous post, and it makes zero sense!!! This is what happens when I read porn, listen to music and post all at once. :P
Ok, so I'll try and explain what I meant, again, hopefully it will make some sense this time. Crowley and Cas are poles apart, Im not comparing them at all, its the dynamic between Dean and Crowley right now, where Dean's constantly exasperated with Crowley, and yet finds himself trusting him.... finds Crowley on his side, as an ally... thats what reminds me of Dean/Cas in S4. Also the way Crowley keeps disappearing on Dean's ass is very Cas too. I know demons can teleport too, but we hadnt seen it in a long time, and now its kinda become a 'Cas' thing for me.
I definitely see the similarities between Sam and Cas, and I loved Sam going all fangirl on Cas when he first met him, bwahaha, it was adorable! <3
Ugh, I hate it when shows do that, build up to something good, and then wreck it. :( Ive been wanting to watch Merlin for a long time, but mostly cuz I was curious about the slash pairing people ship on the show.
Oh, I didnt think of that, hmmm, he might be stressing about that. But he wasnt bitchy towards anyone else, just Cas. :/ I still cant find it in me to sympathise with Bobby, he was too cold to Cas, :( but if the show had thrown some light on what was making him act like that, it wouldve been easier.
I cant console myself with that anymore, sorry, I need more from them, Dean especially. :(
ps: Ignore the typos please, its too late for my brain to be functioning normally.
Exactly, ugh, you put in words what Im feeling so much better than I do, haha, thats why I loved that Sam/Cas scene. Cas was doing for Sam, what Dean wasnt, and couldnt really, he was being understanding and supportive, as stupid the plan was. And like you said, I can see the respect between them, and I could ~feel Sam's concern for Cas. So, right now, these two are being written so much better than dean/cas. And that kills me. :(
Yes, there has been a marked increase I think in showing Sam's concern for Cas, (esp. 5x16-5x19), though it could also relate to him being more a support pilar for *everyone* in the group these days, not just Cas, since he was doing the same for Dean as well (though personally the Sassiteer in me would like to think that Sam is also growing more and more concerned for Cas in of himself! ;))
But I don't think this epp should be taken to show that Dean doesn't care about Cas either anymore--I mean, he kept saying, "We're going to get Cas back!" all determined-like, I think he might be more preoccupied about his brother and the prospect of losing him though (and though I don't ship Wincest, I do think that Sam is the most important person to Dean in the world, hands down, however much he loves Cas as well). The episode opens with him finding out this plan and yelling at Sam for it, Cas's call interrupts this argument, I'm sure it influenced how he talked with Cas somewhat.
*hug* So don't give up hope yet! At least they are still interacting...*thinks of Arthur/Morgana and cries*
Bobby irked me a lot this episode, even in that scene with Sam and Cas in the warehouse... Im just not liking how he treated Cas, hell, he didnt even want to wire Cas the money so that he could get out of there.
Exactly, the warehouse thing annoyed me too, why then was he suddenly snapping, saying, "Can we go do our act of domestic terrorism now?" as if Cas were somehow stopping him, when all he did was step in and save Sam, which BOBBY couldn't manage! *rolleyes* I wonder if Bobby is just jealous/put out that Cas did that and he couldn't....that was just another moment in which Bobby showed unwarranted antagonism or sarcasm/bitchiness towards Cas! And I forgot about the wire transfer thing, another bitchy moment! >:( It's really a cumulative thing, not just that one scene....
I mean come on, Cas has been an invaluable ally--hiding the boys from angel view, saving the boys from Zach in 5x01 and Lucifer in 5x10, bringing them back in time to save their parents and themselves at great personal cost in 5x13, guiding them in heaven in 5x16, giving them the info/weapon they needed to kill the Whore of Babylon in 5x17, retrieving Dean and then sacrificing himself to help the boys get Adam in 5x18, etc....he is part of their Team Free Will, and still has lots of knowledge crucial to their success....and Bobby doesn't want to help him rejoin them?! Come on now! *rolleyes*
Thats what broke me, CAS HAS NO ONE, no one cared to talk to him, ask him how he was doing! D: After all he's given up, and lost, FOR THEM, he still cant call these guys his "friends". He is so alone in his misery. :(
IDK about Bobby, but I DO think he still has Dean and Cas to care about him, he can still call them his friends....but friends do have their ups and downs sometimes, they can be preoccupied....like do you watch Being Human? I was so pissed at Mitchell for barely paying attn to Annie (I ship M/A, they used to be so close) when she was assaulted, b/c he was so preoccupied with his own vampiric affairs...but I do think he still cares for her, it's evident at the end of the series, it's just humans aren't perfect, sometimes they forget to think of others, or are distracted. Like Dean was in this epp.
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I never bought Sam/Cas, I just couldnt imagine Cas having the kind of connection he has with Dean, with Sam, or anyone else, for that matter. But now, with Dean being so distant, and Sam reaching out to Cas, being concerned for him, and Cas being supportive of Sam, and believing in him, I can see it! And even I have to admit that it isnt entirely cuz Sam's showing a lot of maturity and trying to be there for everyone... these two are finally forming a bond, Sam clearly repects Cas, has a certain fondness for him too, and I can kinda see it being reciprocated.
Yeah, Dean wasnt really in the right mood then, what with Sam telling him that he wants to kill himself to trap Lucifer, I can see why Dean didnt get all emotional when Cas called him, but Im still upset with how ~cold that scene was. :(
I will die crying if it gets any worse than this. D: Aw! I dont watch Merlin, but I want to. *hugs*
I love Bobby, I really do, but he was unforgivably mean to Cas, without any valid reason. I couldnt understand why Cas was bugging him so. And like you said, he's only helped the boys, and saved their asses too many times to count, one would imagine Bobby would be grateful. But maybe thats what is eating him, that he wasnt the one to do it. *shrugs*
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I know the guys have bigger shit to worry about, and Ive been consoling myself with that for a while, there have been so many times that Cas has needed support and help (or just needed to be shown some appreciation) and has been offered none, and I told myself that everyone's messed up, and they have more urgent things to focus on, but now its starting to bug me, its bad writing, its isnt 'in character' or right or understandable anymore.
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I think the beginnings of S/C comes from Sam's first fangirly meeting with Cas and awe of angels, and his faith, which while tested is still there all along. And he and Cas are both nerds! :p
And yikes, well if you watch Merlin and like Morgana, or Arthur/Morgana, then be prepared for MAJOR disappointment in season 2! :( (They basically almost pretend like they never had any kind of relationship period, even as siblings, and the lack of concern Arthur shows Morgana is appalling!)
Someone was saying Bobby might have been testy b/c he had just sold his soul and was worried about that....but if the writers had been able to explore that more, his conflict about that, then it would have come off better, I think.
And lol, gotta love Toothless, yes, pulled that one off of SPNP! ;)
And I think Dean and Sam have been reaching out to Cas, at various moments, Dean in 5x03, both of them in 5x13, Sam in the end of 5x16, Dean and Sam in 5x17, etc. So I wouldn't say that, per say...
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Ok, so I'll try and explain what I meant, again, hopefully it will make some sense this time. Crowley and Cas are poles apart, Im not comparing them at all, its the dynamic between Dean and Crowley right now, where Dean's constantly exasperated with Crowley, and yet finds himself trusting him.... finds Crowley on his side, as an ally... thats what reminds me of Dean/Cas in S4. Also the way Crowley keeps disappearing on Dean's ass is very Cas too. I know demons can teleport too, but we hadnt seen it in a long time, and now its kinda become a 'Cas' thing for me.
I definitely see the similarities between Sam and Cas, and I loved Sam going all fangirl on Cas when he first met him, bwahaha, it was adorable! <3
Ugh, I hate it when shows do that, build up to something good, and then wreck it. :( Ive been wanting to watch Merlin for a long time, but mostly cuz I was curious about the slash pairing people ship on the show.
Oh, I didnt think of that, hmmm, he might be stressing about that. But he wasnt bitchy towards anyone else, just Cas. :/ I still cant find it in me to sympathise with Bobby, he was too cold to Cas, :( but if the show had thrown some light on what was making him act like that, it wouldve been easier.
I cant console myself with that anymore, sorry, I need more from them, Dean especially. :(
ps: Ignore the typos please, its too late for my brain to be functioning normally.
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