*hugs* That the effect the episode had on me too, here I was just starting to squee over having Cas back, when the show trampled all over my Dean/Cas loving heart! :(
YES YES YES, thats exactly what I meant, they arent just ignoring Dean/Cas but fucking making a mockery of it, they are wrecking what they have built up all of S4 and a bit of S5, and I just dont get why! *rages*
I couldve too, I was that angry at Dean, I cant deal with him being so distant, so heartless... not to the one person who lost everything for him. And I dont see ANYTHING between Dean/Cas right now, not even friendship, and it hurts me so much I have no words. They're making it look like he doesnt give a shit, not even a bit, for Cas. :(
Exactly, ugh, you put in words what Im feeling so much better than I do, haha, thats why I loved that Sam/Cas scene. Cas was doing for Sam, what Dean wasnt, and couldnt really, he was being understanding and supportive, as stupid the plan was. And like you said, I can see the respect between them, and I could ~feel Sam's concern for Cas. So, right now, these two are being written so much better than dean/cas. And that kills me. :(
Bobby irked me a lot this episode, even in that scene with Sam and Cas in the warehouse... Im just not liking how he treated Cas, hell, he didnt even want to wire Cas the money so that he could get out of there. Thats what broke me, CAS HAS NO ONE, no one cared to talk to him, ask him how he was doing! D: After all he's given up, and lost, FOR THEM, he still cant call these guys his "friends". He is so alone in his misery. :(
I want that for Sammy too, I want him to finally emerge from Dean's shadow, to be bigger than just Dean's baby brother, and I didnt he think he had it in him before S5, but now he does. And thats why I really want the finale to be about him. Also, I think its time that Dean sees that Sam isnt someone who he needs to worry about all the time, im tired of the brothers' unhealthy dependence on each other, especially Dean'. I want them to break free of that, and still retain the bond that they have. Hopefully it will happen before S6 starts, when it'll go back to being all about them again.
Haha, I loved all those things too. I want to see more of Death, and im hoping we will, next episode. And I really hope Crowley survives the finale, though Im hating how he's become Cas for Dean. D:
That was the only high for me in this episode, that Cas is back! I cried. RANDOM BUT HOW HOT WAS HE IN HIS HOSPITAL GOWN, THOSE HAVE NO BACK, ARRGHHH! /fangirling But I cannot get over how NOTHING was said about his scarifice in the 100th episode, ugh well, I knew it would be glossed over.
I know the future will be different than the one we saw in 504, but if you look at Cas this episode, and how he's been ever since he lost faith in God, you'd see that he is truly on a one way road to TheEnd!Cas. I hope Im wrong, I hope with everything I got. And I agree with you that Cas will retain that strange-ness, even if he turns human, but it will ruin one of Castiel's biggest appeal, the fact that he was fundamentally different than everyone else, it coloured his interaction with the others in a special way, and I loved how that influenced his dynamic with Dean, I dont want to lose that. :(
They truly have, War and Famine got episodes focussing on them each, and I wished Pestilence and Death had too. They have such great ideas, so much mythology to play with, yet they just wasted all the potential. Now they're cramming way too much in every episode, and everything feels too rushed to me, and this is partly, why they're messing up the dynamics between characters, and failing to get them right.
*sits and grumbles with you*
ps: ignore the typos, too early for me to spell right.
LOL sorry for the ranting my brain was barley functioning from how pissed off I was. I reread my comment this morning and was quite surprised it actually made any sort of sense.
yes my Dean/Cas loving heart was trampled as well and my Cas loving heart for that matter.
The way they have just trampled over the whole dynamic they spent so long building in season 4 and part of 5 is just so arrgggg what the fuck!!!! It makes no sense no reason has been given its just been ignored, forgotten and thrown away simply because they spent too long fucking around and now are scurrying to fit everything in the last couple of episodes. *RANT*
I love Dean and understand that Sam is the most important thing in his life because he's family but with all that Cas has done for him and Sam and all he has sacrificed why the hell doesn't he quailfy as family too??? *rages away with you* I don't think I can put into words how dissapointed I am with how Cas is being handled at the moment by the writers.
I'm feeling more than a little pouty and inconsoalbe at the moment. I just hope they fix things and I can look back at how pissed I was and laugh.
The scene with Sam and Cas was proably one of the best things in the episode. Which is sad because it should have been Dean and Cas. It kills me too that Sam Cas is being written so much better than Dean Cas at the moment.
yep Bobby irked me as well. In some ways I understand, though I don't quite get why he was almost unwilling to help Cas at all. He loves Sam and Dean so why wouldn't he be thankful for all that he has done for them?
The second time I watched the episode the fact that Cas has lost everything and all the other characters seem to be getting stronger was heartbreaking. Cas is just so lost and no one is there for him. No one cared enough to even ask him how he was doing? This is just wrong.
I was quite proud of Sam in this episode. And he does seem to be coming out of Deans shadow and finding some redemption for his past actions. While in some ways I would like the finale be about Sam the more I think about it this morning I feel that Dean needs to sacrifice Sam in the finale. I was just talking about this on pjamagurls journal this morning. I need to see some resolution of Deans unwillingness to kill Sam to always be protecting him. He needs to let him go, and I don't think Sam would be able to gain controll over Lucifer (I mean its Lucifer for fuck sake) which means that it would be up to Dean to push him over the edge rather than Sam jumping. This wouldn't be Sam giving into weakness but going down figting. It would give both of them a part to play in the end of the apocalypse.
I don't want to lose the dynamic between Dean and Cas either. I don't know, if near human Cas was written well I don't think the dynamic would be gone. He would still be fundamently differnt to the other characters, he would still have all his knowledge and see things from a vastly differnet point of view. As i said I hope they keep a small kernal of power within Cas. I don't know what to think just yet, whatever they do I hope they write him and Dean better then they did in this episode. if he is in next season it would give them time to address what has happened.
I hate that they have rushed the end of the apocalypse story. Such a waste. So much more they could have done this season. the writing seems to be suffering from the need to suddenly wrap everything up. its a pity because i feel that it is messing with the charcter dynamics as well.
*continues grumbling with you*
Lol please ignore my typos as well, I'm just too lazy to fix them at the moment...it is sunday afterall.
It hurt so much cuz Cas was being wronged, and thats why I couldnt help but be moved by the Sam/Cas this week, I cant not love someone who shows concern for Cas. AT LEAST SOMEONE CARED! If it was only a little.
Same, hun, I wish after the finale we could sit and LOL at ourselves for overreacting.
*hugs*
Exactly, shouldnt Bobby be grateful for all that he's done for the boys? And I just didnt get where all that animosity was coming from, what has Cas done to him anyway?
Yeah, the more we're talking about it, the more im convinced that its going to play out like that. Cuz Dean has to figure in all this, somewhere, and I need things between the brothers to be resolved, it only makes sense that something as huge as the apocalypse would alter their dynamic.
I agree, and I hope you're right, Cas would always be weird, and its not like he's losing his memory or anything, he'll still be thoudsands of years older than Dean, wiser, but just as strong or weak as him now. Im still worried about human!Cas though, I just hope he doesnt lose faith, I hope he gets to ~choose to be human, or something like that, cuz if his angely powers are taken from him, it will only affect him badly.
Yeah, they are out of time now, and there are so many loose ends to tie up. The finale better be convincing and give us a proper resolution, I will not tolerate or accept a half-assed conclusion to this amazing apocalypse storyline.
Haha, I didnt notice any, I just reread my last comment, and found SO many, ugh!
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Aww, I don't think Crowley has become Cas for Dean, not even close, he went off with Crowley, yes, but it was clear he was not very close to Crowley, did not trust him very much or think much of him--not like Cas....
Exactly, ugh, you put in words what Im feeling so much better than I do, haha, thats why I loved that Sam/Cas scene. Cas was doing for Sam, what Dean wasnt, and couldnt really, he was being understanding and supportive, as stupid the plan was. And like you said, I can see the respect between them, and I could ~feel Sam's concern for Cas. So, right now, these two are being written so much better than dean/cas. And that kills me. :(
Yes, there has been a marked increase I think in showing Sam's concern for Cas, (esp. 5x16-5x19), though it could also relate to him being more a support pilar for *everyone* in the group these days, not just Cas, since he was doing the same for Dean as well (though personally the Sassiteer in me would like to think that Sam is also growing more and more concerned for Cas in of himself! ;))
But I don't think this epp should be taken to show that Dean doesn't care about Cas either anymore--I mean, he kept saying, "We're going to get Cas back!" all determined-like, I think he might be more preoccupied about his brother and the prospect of losing him though (and though I don't ship Wincest, I do think that Sam is the most important person to Dean in the world, hands down, however much he loves Cas as well). The episode opens with him finding out this plan and yelling at Sam for it, Cas's call interrupts this argument, I'm sure it influenced how he talked with Cas somewhat.
*hug* So don't give up hope yet! At least they are still interacting...*thinks of Arthur/Morgana and cries*
Bobby irked me a lot this episode, even in that scene with Sam and Cas in the warehouse... Im just not liking how he treated Cas, hell, he didnt even want to wire Cas the money so that he could get out of there.
Exactly, the warehouse thing annoyed me too, why then was he suddenly snapping, saying, "Can we go do our act of domestic terrorism now?" as if Cas were somehow stopping him, when all he did was step in and save Sam, which BOBBY couldn't manage! *rolleyes* I wonder if Bobby is just jealous/put out that Cas did that and he couldn't....that was just another moment in which Bobby showed unwarranted antagonism or sarcasm/bitchiness towards Cas! And I forgot about the wire transfer thing, another bitchy moment! >:( It's really a cumulative thing, not just that one scene....
I mean come on, Cas has been an invaluable ally--hiding the boys from angel view, saving the boys from Zach in 5x01 and Lucifer in 5x10, bringing them back in time to save their parents and themselves at great personal cost in 5x13, guiding them in heaven in 5x16, giving them the info/weapon they needed to kill the Whore of Babylon in 5x17, retrieving Dean and then sacrificing himself to help the boys get Adam in 5x18, etc....he is part of their Team Free Will, and still has lots of knowledge crucial to their success....and Bobby doesn't want to help him rejoin them?! Come on now! *rolleyes*
Thats what broke me, CAS HAS NO ONE, no one cared to talk to him, ask him how he was doing! D: After all he's given up, and lost, FOR THEM, he still cant call these guys his "friends". He is so alone in his misery. :(
IDK about Bobby, but I DO think he still has Dean and Cas to care about him, he can still call them his friends....but friends do have their ups and downs sometimes, they can be preoccupied....like do you watch Being Human? I was so pissed at Mitchell for barely paying attn to Annie (I ship M/A, they used to be so close) when she was assaulted, b/c he was so preoccupied with his own vampiric affairs...but I do think he still cares for her, it's evident at the end of the series, it's just humans aren't perfect, sometimes they forget to think of others, or are distracted. Like Dean was in this epp.
Dean/Crowley right now are like Dean and Cas in S4, where Dean didnt trust Cas, not really, but there was this comfort between them. Its painful for me to watch. :(
I never bought Sam/Cas, I just couldnt imagine Cas having the kind of connection he has with Dean, with Sam, or anyone else, for that matter. But now, with Dean being so distant, and Sam reaching out to Cas, being concerned for him, and Cas being supportive of Sam, and believing in him, I can see it! And even I have to admit that it isnt entirely cuz Sam's showing a lot of maturity and trying to be there for everyone... these two are finally forming a bond, Sam clearly repects Cas, has a certain fondness for him too, and I can kinda see it being reciprocated.
Yeah, Dean wasnt really in the right mood then, what with Sam telling him that he wants to kill himself to trap Lucifer, I can see why Dean didnt get all emotional when Cas called him, but Im still upset with how ~cold that scene was. :(
I will die crying if it gets any worse than this. D: Aw! I dont watch Merlin, but I want to. *hugs*
I love Bobby, I really do, but he was unforgivably mean to Cas, without any valid reason. I couldnt understand why Cas was bugging him so. And like you said, he's only helped the boys, and saved their asses too many times to count, one would imagine Bobby would be grateful. But maybe thats what is eating him, that he wasnt the one to do it. *shrugs*
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I know the guys have bigger shit to worry about, and Ive been consoling myself with that for a while, there have been so many times that Cas has needed support and help (or just needed to be shown some appreciation) and has been offered none, and I told myself that everyone's messed up, and they have more urgent things to focus on, but now its starting to bug me, its bad writing, its isnt 'in character' or right or understandable anymore.
Comfort b/t Dean and Crowley? :s Um, where? I didn't see any of the sympathy for Dean from Crowley that Cas consistently expressed in season 4 (from the "You don't think you deserve to be saved?" to the hand on his shoulder in 4x03), and you don't hear Dean making up any familiar nicknames for Crowley, do you? I don't see what you are talking about...
I think the beginnings of S/C comes from Sam's first fangirly meeting with Cas and awe of angels, and his faith, which while tested is still there all along. And he and Cas are both nerds! :p
And yikes, well if you watch Merlin and like Morgana, or Arthur/Morgana, then be prepared for MAJOR disappointment in season 2! :( (They basically almost pretend like they never had any kind of relationship period, even as siblings, and the lack of concern Arthur shows Morgana is appalling!)
Someone was saying Bobby might have been testy b/c he had just sold his soul and was worried about that....but if the writers had been able to explore that more, his conflict about that, then it would have come off better, I think.
And lol, gotta love Toothless, yes, pulled that one off of SPNP! ;)
And I think Dean and Sam have been reaching out to Cas, at various moments, Dean in 5x03, both of them in 5x13, Sam in the end of 5x16, Dean and Sam in 5x17, etc. So I wouldn't say that, per say...
LMFAO! Sorry bb, I just reread what I wrote in my previous post, and it makes zero sense!!! This is what happens when I read porn, listen to music and post all at once. :P
Ok, so I'll try and explain what I meant, again, hopefully it will make some sense this time. Crowley and Cas are poles apart, Im not comparing them at all, its the dynamic between Dean and Crowley right now, where Dean's constantly exasperated with Crowley, and yet finds himself trusting him.... finds Crowley on his side, as an ally... thats what reminds me of Dean/Cas in S4. Also the way Crowley keeps disappearing on Dean's ass is very Cas too. I know demons can teleport too, but we hadnt seen it in a long time, and now its kinda become a 'Cas' thing for me.
I definitely see the similarities between Sam and Cas, and I loved Sam going all fangirl on Cas when he first met him, bwahaha, it was adorable! <3
Ugh, I hate it when shows do that, build up to something good, and then wreck it. :( Ive been wanting to watch Merlin for a long time, but mostly cuz I was curious about the slash pairing people ship on the show.
Oh, I didnt think of that, hmmm, he might be stressing about that. But he wasnt bitchy towards anyone else, just Cas. :/ I still cant find it in me to sympathise with Bobby, he was too cold to Cas, :( but if the show had thrown some light on what was making him act like that, it wouldve been easier.
I cant console myself with that anymore, sorry, I need more from them, Dean especially. :(
ps: Ignore the typos please, its too late for my brain to be functioning normally.
First, very appropriate icon! ;)
*hugs* That the effect the episode had on me too, here I was just starting to squee over having Cas back, when the show trampled all over my Dean/Cas loving heart! :(
YES YES YES, thats exactly what I meant, they arent just ignoring Dean/Cas but fucking making a mockery of it, they are wrecking what they have built up all of S4 and a bit of S5, and I just dont get why! *rages*
I couldve too, I was that angry at Dean, I cant deal with him being so distant, so heartless... not to the one person who lost everything for him. And I dont see ANYTHING between Dean/Cas right now, not even friendship, and it hurts me so much I have no words. They're making it look like he doesnt give a shit, not even a bit, for Cas. :(
Exactly, ugh, you put in words what Im feeling so much better than I do, haha, thats why I loved that Sam/Cas scene. Cas was doing for Sam, what Dean wasnt, and couldnt really, he was being understanding and supportive, as stupid the plan was. And like you said, I can see the respect between them, and I could ~feel Sam's concern for Cas. So, right now, these two are being written so much better than dean/cas. And that kills me. :(
Bobby irked me a lot this episode, even in that scene with Sam and Cas in the warehouse... Im just not liking how he treated Cas, hell, he didnt even want to wire Cas the money so that he could get out of there.
Thats what broke me, CAS HAS NO ONE, no one cared to talk to him, ask him how he was doing! D: After all he's given up, and lost, FOR THEM, he still cant call these guys his "friends". He is so alone in his misery. :(
I want that for Sammy too, I want him to finally emerge from Dean's shadow, to be bigger than just Dean's baby brother, and I didnt he think he had it in him before S5, but now he does. And thats why I really want the finale to be about him.
Also, I think its time that Dean sees that Sam isnt someone who he needs to worry about all the time, im tired of the brothers' unhealthy dependence on each other, especially Dean'. I want them to break free of that, and still retain the bond that they have. Hopefully it will happen before S6 starts, when it'll go back to being all about them again.
Haha, I loved all those things too. I want to see more of Death, and im hoping we will, next episode. And I really hope Crowley survives the finale, though Im hating how he's become Cas for Dean. D:
That was the only high for me in this episode, that Cas is back! I cried. RANDOM BUT HOW HOT WAS HE IN HIS HOSPITAL GOWN, THOSE HAVE NO BACK, ARRGHHH! /fangirling
But I cannot get over how NOTHING was said about his scarifice in the 100th episode, ugh well, I knew it would be glossed over.
I know the future will be different than the one we saw in 504, but if you look at Cas this episode, and how he's been ever since he lost faith in God, you'd see that he is truly on a one way road to TheEnd!Cas. I hope Im wrong, I hope with everything I got.
And I agree with you that Cas will retain that strange-ness, even if he turns human, but it will ruin one of Castiel's biggest appeal, the fact that he was fundamentally different than everyone else, it coloured his interaction with the others in a special way, and I loved how that influenced his dynamic with Dean, I dont want to lose that. :(
They truly have, War and Famine got episodes focussing on them each, and I wished Pestilence and Death had too. They have such great ideas, so much mythology to play with, yet they just wasted all the potential. Now they're cramming way too much in every episode, and everything feels too rushed to me, and this is partly, why they're messing up the dynamics between characters, and failing to get them right.
*sits and grumbles with you*
ps: ignore the typos, too early for me to spell right.
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yes my Dean/Cas loving heart was trampled as well and my Cas loving heart for that matter.
The way they have just trampled over the whole dynamic they spent so long building in season 4 and part of 5 is just so arrgggg what the fuck!!!! It makes no sense no reason has been given its just been ignored, forgotten and thrown away simply because they spent too long fucking around and now are scurrying to fit everything in the last couple of episodes. *RANT*
I love Dean and understand that Sam is the most important thing in his life because he's family but with all that Cas has done for him and Sam and all he has sacrificed why the hell doesn't he quailfy as family too??? *rages away with you* I don't think I can put into words how dissapointed I am with how Cas is being handled at the moment by the writers.
I'm feeling more than a little pouty and inconsoalbe at the moment. I just hope they fix things and I can look back at how pissed I was and laugh.
The scene with Sam and Cas was proably one of the best things in the episode. Which is sad because it should have been Dean and Cas. It kills me too that Sam Cas is being written so much better than Dean Cas at the moment.
yep Bobby irked me as well. In some ways I understand, though I don't quite get why he was almost unwilling to help Cas at all. He loves Sam and Dean so why wouldn't he be thankful for all that he has done for them?
The second time I watched the episode the fact that Cas has lost everything and all the other characters seem to be getting stronger was heartbreaking. Cas is just so lost and no one is there for him. No one cared enough to even ask him how he was doing? This is just wrong.
I was quite proud of Sam in this episode. And he does seem to be coming out of Deans shadow and finding some redemption for his past actions. While in some ways I would like the finale be about Sam the more I think about it this morning I feel that Dean needs to sacrifice Sam in the finale. I was just talking about this on pjamagurls journal this morning. I need to see some resolution of Deans unwillingness to kill Sam to always be protecting him. He needs to let him go, and I don't think Sam would be able to gain controll over Lucifer (I mean its Lucifer for fuck sake) which means that it would be up to Dean to push him over the edge rather than Sam jumping. This wouldn't be Sam giving into weakness but going down figting. It would give both of them a part to play in the end of the apocalypse.
I don't want to lose the dynamic between Dean and Cas either. I don't know, if near human Cas was written well I don't think the dynamic would be gone. He would still be fundamently differnt to the other characters, he would still have all his knowledge and see things from a vastly differnet point of view. As i said I hope they keep a small kernal of power within Cas. I don't know what to think just yet, whatever they do I hope they write him and Dean better then they did in this episode. if he is in next season it would give them time to address what has happened.
I hate that they have rushed the end of the apocalypse story. Such a waste. So much more they could have done this season. the writing seems to be suffering from the need to suddenly wrap everything up. its a pity because i feel that it is messing with the charcter dynamics as well.
*continues grumbling with you*
Lol please ignore my typos as well, I'm just too lazy to fix them at the moment...it is sunday afterall.
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Same, hun, I wish after the finale we could sit and LOL at ourselves for overreacting.
*hugs*
Exactly, shouldnt Bobby be grateful for all that he's done for the boys? And I just didnt get where all that animosity was coming from, what has Cas done to him anyway?
Yeah, the more we're talking about it, the more im convinced that its going to play out like that. Cuz Dean has to figure in all this, somewhere, and I need things between the brothers to be resolved, it only makes sense that something as huge as the apocalypse would alter their dynamic.
I agree, and I hope you're right, Cas would always be weird, and its not like he's losing his memory or anything, he'll still be thoudsands of years older than Dean, wiser, but just as strong or weak as him now. Im still worried about human!Cas though, I just hope he doesnt lose faith, I hope he gets to ~choose to be human, or something like that, cuz if his angely powers are taken from him, it will only affect him badly.
Yeah, they are out of time now, and there are so many loose ends to tie up. The finale better be convincing and give us a proper resolution, I will not tolerate or accept a half-assed conclusion to this amazing apocalypse storyline.
Haha, I didnt notice any, I just reread my last comment, and found SO many, ugh!
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Exactly, ugh, you put in words what Im feeling so much better than I do, haha, thats why I loved that Sam/Cas scene. Cas was doing for Sam, what Dean wasnt, and couldnt really, he was being understanding and supportive, as stupid the plan was. And like you said, I can see the respect between them, and I could ~feel Sam's concern for Cas. So, right now, these two are being written so much better than dean/cas. And that kills me. :(
Yes, there has been a marked increase I think in showing Sam's concern for Cas, (esp. 5x16-5x19), though it could also relate to him being more a support pilar for *everyone* in the group these days, not just Cas, since he was doing the same for Dean as well (though personally the Sassiteer in me would like to think that Sam is also growing more and more concerned for Cas in of himself! ;))
But I don't think this epp should be taken to show that Dean doesn't care about Cas either anymore--I mean, he kept saying, "We're going to get Cas back!" all determined-like, I think he might be more preoccupied about his brother and the prospect of losing him though (and though I don't ship Wincest, I do think that Sam is the most important person to Dean in the world, hands down, however much he loves Cas as well). The episode opens with him finding out this plan and yelling at Sam for it, Cas's call interrupts this argument, I'm sure it influenced how he talked with Cas somewhat.
*hug* So don't give up hope yet! At least they are still interacting...*thinks of Arthur/Morgana and cries*
Bobby irked me a lot this episode, even in that scene with Sam and Cas in the warehouse... Im just not liking how he treated Cas, hell, he didnt even want to wire Cas the money so that he could get out of there.
Exactly, the warehouse thing annoyed me too, why then was he suddenly snapping, saying, "Can we go do our act of domestic terrorism now?" as if Cas were somehow stopping him, when all he did was step in and save Sam, which BOBBY couldn't manage! *rolleyes* I wonder if Bobby is just jealous/put out that Cas did that and he couldn't....that was just another moment in which Bobby showed unwarranted antagonism or sarcasm/bitchiness towards Cas! And I forgot about the wire transfer thing, another bitchy moment! >:( It's really a cumulative thing, not just that one scene....
I mean come on, Cas has been an invaluable ally--hiding the boys from angel view, saving the boys from Zach in 5x01 and Lucifer in 5x10, bringing them back in time to save their parents and themselves at great personal cost in 5x13, guiding them in heaven in 5x16, giving them the info/weapon they needed to kill the Whore of Babylon in 5x17, retrieving Dean and then sacrificing himself to help the boys get Adam in 5x18, etc....he is part of their Team Free Will, and still has lots of knowledge crucial to their success....and Bobby doesn't want to help him rejoin them?! Come on now! *rolleyes*
Thats what broke me, CAS HAS NO ONE, no one cared to talk to him, ask him how he was doing! D: After all he's given up, and lost, FOR THEM, he still cant call these guys his "friends". He is so alone in his misery. :(
IDK about Bobby, but I DO think he still has Dean and Cas to care about him, he can still call them his friends....but friends do have their ups and downs sometimes, they can be preoccupied....like do you watch Being Human? I was so pissed at Mitchell for barely paying attn to Annie (I ship M/A, they used to be so close) when she was assaulted, b/c he was so preoccupied with his own vampiric affairs...but I do think he still cares for her, it's evident at the end of the series, it's just humans aren't perfect, sometimes they forget to think of others, or are distracted. Like Dean was in this epp.
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I never bought Sam/Cas, I just couldnt imagine Cas having the kind of connection he has with Dean, with Sam, or anyone else, for that matter. But now, with Dean being so distant, and Sam reaching out to Cas, being concerned for him, and Cas being supportive of Sam, and believing in him, I can see it! And even I have to admit that it isnt entirely cuz Sam's showing a lot of maturity and trying to be there for everyone... these two are finally forming a bond, Sam clearly repects Cas, has a certain fondness for him too, and I can kinda see it being reciprocated.
Yeah, Dean wasnt really in the right mood then, what with Sam telling him that he wants to kill himself to trap Lucifer, I can see why Dean didnt get all emotional when Cas called him, but Im still upset with how ~cold that scene was. :(
I will die crying if it gets any worse than this. D: Aw! I dont watch Merlin, but I want to. *hugs*
I love Bobby, I really do, but he was unforgivably mean to Cas, without any valid reason. I couldnt understand why Cas was bugging him so. And like you said, he's only helped the boys, and saved their asses too many times to count, one would imagine Bobby would be grateful. But maybe thats what is eating him, that he wasnt the one to do it. *shrugs*
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I know the guys have bigger shit to worry about, and Ive been consoling myself with that for a while, there have been so many times that Cas has needed support and help (or just needed to be shown some appreciation) and has been offered none, and I told myself that everyone's messed up, and they have more urgent things to focus on, but now its starting to bug me, its bad writing, its isnt 'in character' or right or understandable anymore.
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I think the beginnings of S/C comes from Sam's first fangirly meeting with Cas and awe of angels, and his faith, which while tested is still there all along. And he and Cas are both nerds! :p
And yikes, well if you watch Merlin and like Morgana, or Arthur/Morgana, then be prepared for MAJOR disappointment in season 2! :( (They basically almost pretend like they never had any kind of relationship period, even as siblings, and the lack of concern Arthur shows Morgana is appalling!)
Someone was saying Bobby might have been testy b/c he had just sold his soul and was worried about that....but if the writers had been able to explore that more, his conflict about that, then it would have come off better, I think.
And lol, gotta love Toothless, yes, pulled that one off of SPNP! ;)
And I think Dean and Sam have been reaching out to Cas, at various moments, Dean in 5x03, both of them in 5x13, Sam in the end of 5x16, Dean and Sam in 5x17, etc. So I wouldn't say that, per say...
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Ok, so I'll try and explain what I meant, again, hopefully it will make some sense this time. Crowley and Cas are poles apart, Im not comparing them at all, its the dynamic between Dean and Crowley right now, where Dean's constantly exasperated with Crowley, and yet finds himself trusting him.... finds Crowley on his side, as an ally... thats what reminds me of Dean/Cas in S4. Also the way Crowley keeps disappearing on Dean's ass is very Cas too. I know demons can teleport too, but we hadnt seen it in a long time, and now its kinda become a 'Cas' thing for me.
I definitely see the similarities between Sam and Cas, and I loved Sam going all fangirl on Cas when he first met him, bwahaha, it was adorable! <3
Ugh, I hate it when shows do that, build up to something good, and then wreck it. :( Ive been wanting to watch Merlin for a long time, but mostly cuz I was curious about the slash pairing people ship on the show.
Oh, I didnt think of that, hmmm, he might be stressing about that. But he wasnt bitchy towards anyone else, just Cas. :/ I still cant find it in me to sympathise with Bobby, he was too cold to Cas, :( but if the show had thrown some light on what was making him act like that, it wouldve been easier.
I cant console myself with that anymore, sorry, I need more from them, Dean especially. :(
ps: Ignore the typos please, its too late for my brain to be functioning normally.
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