I was really unimpressed with Dean's behaviour towards Cas. I mean I liked that he sat down and said sorry (about Cas being mojo-less) but it felt like too little too late. And yes I get tired of making excuses for him too, I desperately want him to prove himself and stop acting like a jerk. I wanted more of this scene, I know Dean isn't one for touchy-feely girly moments but I really wanted him and Cas to really make up and for it to be that there really is a friendship between them because there is, there has to be.
I honestly don't see the Cas/Sam thing as anything more than friendship. It took Cas a long time to trust Sam and now he is beginning to see (like Dean and Bobby) that Sam has a lot of good in him. I love their scenes together but I honestly see them as nothing more than friendship, though I know other people probably see what I'm not xD
I felt there was a lot skipped in the Dean/Cas opening scene, really. Personally, I think Dean and Castiel have too much history (and Cas leans on Dean a lot as well as Dean expecting Cas above and beyond the call of duty) for Dean to come over as insensitive and apparently uncaring. It hurts to think that their relationship is all in my head when really I feel Dean should be more thankful and more caring about what happens to Cas.
I love the little moments when Dean is exasperated with Cas <3
I think some of the trepidation where Human!Cas is concerned is that we know what he was like in 'The End' and part of me thinks (hopes beyond hope) that he wouldn't turn out like that now. I think he would be different if he had both Dean and Sam supporting him and not just a broken Dean who doesn't give a crap about anything. I do think they could go a different route with him and not lose what makes him special. I hope they can anyway.
I HATE THAT THEY DON'T EVEN SEEM TO HAVE FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN THEM ANYMORE! WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO THEM SHOW?!! PLZ DON'T!!
The Dean/Cas hug is well overdue. If not because Cas almost died then for saving their goddamn asses from Pestilence!
Nick!Lucifer has to be there to kind of 'Pass on' from Nick to Sam I would imagine (kind of like Claire and Jimmy...) ANd yes, I need some Mark Pelligrino *nods*
It was too rushed and too easy...I truly wish they had done this instead of the boring ass filler eps.
*sigh* I am sick and tired of Dean's whole world revolving around Sam, I mean I get it, I really do. The boys are all they have left and they are each other's weakspots (we've had that hammered home enough) but I too want Dean to evolve, I want him to be more and I desperately want him to have more of a relationship with Cas. It's one of the things I fear for S6, that we will just go right smack bang back to what we had in Season one, with Dean being a manwhore and joking all the time and Sammy shaking his head and bristling in the background. I want Dean to move the frak on, I want Dean/Cas and I know I'll never freaking get it but I'm tired of everything Dean does being about Sam.
I know, I miss all the wonderful Dean/Cas we used to get. Now everything will be about Sam and Dean this time.
Exactly, Im fed up of trying to justify him, I love him, but I cant deny he's being a jerk now, and really its his turn to prove himself, he's given NOTHING back to Cas, only taken, that also without showing any appreciation or gratitude. And its just so wrong, cuz Ive always seen Dean as a 'giver', so much that he didnt know how to ~take. But he's been such a vampire with Cas. :(
I could never ship them, Im too rabid about Dean/Cas, lol, but so far I was slightly annoyed at Sam/Cas, but now I see something between them, mutual respect, genuine concern, friendship I guess, and that touches me and kills me at the same time, cuz right now, I dont see that in Dean/Cas. *weeps*
That phone call scene was such a joke. And the more I think of it the more it pisses me off. They're almost ridiculing Dean/Cas, by making Dean so insensitve towards Cas. Its actually like they're trying to undo all of it, rewriting the history, and its pissing me off cuz its useless, cuz I cant understand how, even from a non-shipper point of view, is Dean/Cas not utterly undeniable!!!
I want to hope so too, but the signs are evident already, and seeing how alone Cas is in his misery, I can see him heading down that road. :(
Forget a hug, Dean/Cas didnt even share a ~look~ in all of the episode, there is nothing between them now, NOTHING at all!!!! *breaks down and sobs*
Oh yes, I didnt think of that... I will miss Nick!Lucifer though im beyond excited for Samifer!
I dont want anyone else to come before the other, for the brothers, Im okay with them being each other's priority, but the sickening codependence has got to go, its been 5 fucking seasons, and they are as unhealthy as they were in the beginning. And I want it more for Dean, who still doesnt have an identity of his own, and its not just the shipper in me, greedy to get more Dean/Cas, I just want Dean to let go of Sam and learn how to bbe close to him, without it being *everything* to him. And Im afraid S6 will be like that too. *sigh* And if it is, then the show and I are done.
I know, its killing me, I was so hoping they'd build on S4, but instead they've just slowly ruined all that they gave us then. :(
I WONT EITHER! *WEEPS*
ps: ignore the typos, im not entirely awake and depressed as shit.
Dean has always been a giver, which is why it is so out of character for him to be take, take, take where Cas is concerned. I'm all for Cas making sacrifices for Dean, but I want there to be some reciprocation. There was a time when Dean would do things because Castiel insisted, that isn't there now, everything is down to what Dean wants.
I like the Sam/Castiel friendship, but it really does make me miss what isn't there between Dean and Castiel anymore. I fell really cheated too, because at the beginning of the season they were still connected, he and Dean were friends and there was that wonderful chemistry between them, now it feels like there is nothing and I hate it.
They are pushing Dean/Cas away, and focusing more on the brothers at the last gasp here. I feel rather like it is lazy writing, because they don't want to focus on both despite the fact that a lot of us (I hope) really like the dynamic between Dean and Castiel.
I don't think all the signs are there, to be honest. I think Cas still has faith in Dean at the moment, especially after Dean didn't say yes. He is still fighting and he is kicking ass even though his batteries are drained. I am not losing faith in Cas yet. I think his path has changed now, unless Dean loses Sammy (which I doubt, especially permanently) Cas isn't going to end up like that. And he isn't so much as cut off from heaven as he is sapped of power. There are parallels, I know, with Cas feeling hopeless and not knowing what to do with himself but I also think there were moments in the episode where he fought through all the crap and got on with it, he could see when he saved Sam, that there were still things worth fighting for and he wasn't wholly purposeless.
I will miss Nick!Lucifer. And I am in two minds about Samifer, to be honest. I wasn't that impressed in The End, but I am sure Jared will do a great job and it will be good.
They will always be one another's priorities and I am fine with that. They are always going to be one another's weak spot. But yeah I want the codependence to go away, I want Dean to have someone outside of Sam to rely on and to have as a real friend. Another season that focuses solely on Sam and Dean and their relationship is just going to bore me, I need more. I love the brothers but I think it is time that they have their own lives too. I really do want Dean to push Sam into the pit. I want him to let go and do something for the greater good. I really want this, it would be fantastic growth between the boys and I think it is really time for Dean to grow up just like his brother has. He needs to let go.
I hate the farce that s5 has become. We were promised so much more of Castiel and he has been quite wasted character-wise lately. The beginning of the season was so good for Dean/Cas and now it feels like they are ripping apart what we loved. I hate it.
Seriously, not going to watch this show if Cas isn't in it.
Exactly, Im hating how its looking that Dean is using Cas. Ive been okay with Dean taking more than giving, so far, cuz God knows Dean needed someone like that, but now its becoming too unfair, Cas is as broken as he is, and has little to ~give, and he needs Dean too, yet he fails to see that. :(
I feel duped too, they're writing Sam/Cas so well, and wrecking Dean/Cas. Its painful to see someone else do for Cas, what ideally Dean should be doing.
Yeah, they're not just ignoring Dean/Cas now, they're driving them apart. Where is Jeremy Carver? *wails*
I see what you're saying, and I dont fully disagree, but Im still worried. Cas was still fighting even in 504, but he was empty, and I know the future will be different now, but Ive always believed that Cas ended up like that, mostly cuz of being cut from heaven, more than Dean being too far gone to help him. Thats why him turning human scares me, THAT will be his undoing.
Im going to talk more about this, in another entry maybe, I need to rant about a lot of things on the show.
Samifer was kinda weird in The End, but I liked him, I ~felt it. Thats why Im so darn excited about seeing Sam be taken over by the devil. But I will really really miss Nick!Lucifer. :(
True, it will always be the two of them, and not only am I good with that, I feel its right, in a way, I adore the brothers and what they have, but its time they discovered more, open up to people other than each other. Thats one of the biggest reasons why I shipped Dean/Cas, cuz I craved for Dean to have something meaningful, something to call his own, someone besides Sammy. Now I want this for both brothers in S6. Yeah, I think Dean will have a role to play in all that, he MUST be the one to push Sam into the pit, and if it happens, I will be happy, it would be enormous for Dean, (and only mean good things for his character growth) and would make the fandom implode, but I need this to happen, Ive wanted this to happen for so long!
Thats the word for it, its a farce, and such a fucking waste, that its making me sad, so much that couldve been done, shouldve been. To make things worse, they've broken my Dean/Cas loving heart. :(
There's taking, then there's taking it too far. There's no doubt about it, Dean came off a jerk with Castiel in this episode and I hated it. I want, so much, for Dean to give something back to Castiel, I want him to see that Cas is still crumbling here, he needs Dean. *sighs*
God I want Jeremy Carver!! Bring Dean and Cas back together people! :( And yes, it is painful to see other characters being the friend/doing the things Dean should be.
I have that worry too, I really do, that when the writers make Cas human that they will have him as he was in The End. He isn't so much cut off from heaven now as he is powerless. I want so much for them to do his character justice, I don't want him to become what he was in The End.
*pats* Sometimes ranting is needed, hell knows I went ranty on people moaning about Jimmy being dead (when I've kind of thought he was dead since 4x20, and I've always loved Cas more than Jimmy) and all the woe about the CW moving the day/starting mid-season (which is unlikely) yeah...I just needed to vent.
I will miss Nick!Lucifer, but I am really looking forward to seeing Samifer (I think I will like him a lot more when he isn't reciting the same words two episodes near each other, which is where my beef was) as its always interesting to see an actor play a different character in the same show (that makes sense...right?)
I adore the brothers too, but I do adore them as brothers and I think that they do need other people and relationships outside of one another. I love Dean/Cas for very much the same reasons as you do, and I want Sammy to have someone outside of his brother too. I don't think that them having this would make them any less close to one another.
I feel slightly sadistic or like I come across as Sam!hater (which I am so not, as you know) when I say I really want Dean to shove Sammy in the pit...It would be enormous and it would be awesome! (and I was saying to Kim earlier, I'd really like for Season 6 to start with Dean and Cas having to get Sam back and Sam having to cope with things along the way like Dean did in S4, but that'll probably never happen *sigh* totally tempted to write it though, y/n?)
My heart is broken too *clings* I am so disappointed with what they have done with Castiel this season.
I was really unimpressed with Dean's behaviour towards Cas. I mean I liked that he sat down and said sorry (about Cas being mojo-less) but it felt like too little too late. And yes I get tired of making excuses for him too, I desperately want him to prove himself and stop acting like a jerk.
I wanted more of this scene, I know Dean isn't one for touchy-feely girly moments but I really wanted him and Cas to really make up and for it to be that there really is a friendship between them because there is, there has to be.
I honestly don't see the Cas/Sam thing as anything more than friendship. It took Cas a long time to trust Sam and now he is beginning to see (like Dean and Bobby) that Sam has a lot of good in him. I love their scenes together but I honestly see them as nothing more than friendship, though I know other people probably see what I'm not xD
I felt there was a lot skipped in the Dean/Cas opening scene, really. Personally, I think Dean and Castiel have too much history (and Cas leans on Dean a lot as well as Dean expecting Cas above and beyond the call of duty) for Dean to come over as insensitive and apparently uncaring. It hurts to think that their relationship is all in my head when really I feel Dean should be more thankful and more caring about what happens to Cas.
I love the little moments when Dean is exasperated with Cas <3
I think some of the trepidation where Human!Cas is concerned is that we know what he was like in 'The End' and part of me thinks (hopes beyond hope) that he wouldn't turn out like that now. I think he would be different if he had both Dean and Sam supporting him and not just a broken Dean who doesn't give a crap about anything. I do think they could go a different route with him and not lose what makes him special. I hope they can anyway.
I HATE THAT THEY DON'T EVEN SEEM TO HAVE FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN THEM ANYMORE! WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO THEM SHOW?!! PLZ DON'T!!
The Dean/Cas hug is well overdue. If not because Cas almost died then for saving their goddamn asses from Pestilence!
Nick!Lucifer has to be there to kind of 'Pass on' from Nick to Sam I would imagine (kind of like Claire and Jimmy...) ANd yes, I need some Mark Pelligrino *nods*
It was too rushed and too easy...I truly wish they had done this instead of the boring ass filler eps.
*sigh* I am sick and tired of Dean's whole world revolving around Sam, I mean I get it, I really do. The boys are all they have left and they are each other's weakspots (we've had that hammered home enough) but I too want Dean to evolve, I want him to be more and I desperately want him to have more of a relationship with Cas. It's one of the things I fear for S6, that we will just go right smack bang back to what we had in Season one, with Dean being a manwhore and joking all the time and Sammy shaking his head and bristling in the background. I want Dean to move the frak on, I want Dean/Cas and I know I'll never freaking get it but I'm tired of everything Dean does being about Sam.
I know, I miss all the wonderful Dean/Cas we used to get. Now everything will be about Sam and Dean this time.
HE HAS TO!! I WON'T SURVIVE WITHOUT HIM!
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Exactly, Im fed up of trying to justify him, I love him, but I cant deny he's being a jerk now, and really its his turn to prove himself, he's given NOTHING back to Cas, only taken, that also without showing any appreciation or gratitude. And its just so wrong, cuz Ive always seen Dean as a 'giver', so much that he didnt know how to ~take. But he's been such a vampire with Cas. :(
I could never ship them, Im too rabid about Dean/Cas, lol, but so far I was slightly annoyed at Sam/Cas, but now I see something between them, mutual respect, genuine concern, friendship I guess, and that touches me and kills me at the same time, cuz right now, I dont see that in Dean/Cas. *weeps*
That phone call scene was such a joke. And the more I think of it the more it pisses me off. They're almost ridiculing Dean/Cas, by making Dean so insensitve towards Cas. Its actually like they're trying to undo all of it, rewriting the history, and its pissing me off cuz its useless, cuz I cant understand how, even from a non-shipper point of view, is Dean/Cas not utterly undeniable!!!
I want to hope so too, but the signs are evident already, and seeing how alone Cas is in his misery, I can see him heading down that road. :(
Forget a hug, Dean/Cas didnt even share a ~look~ in all of the episode, there is nothing between them now, NOTHING at all!!!! *breaks down and sobs*
Oh yes, I didnt think of that... I will miss Nick!Lucifer though im beyond excited for Samifer!
I dont want anyone else to come before the other, for the brothers, Im okay with them being each other's priority, but the sickening codependence has got to go, its been 5 fucking seasons, and they are as unhealthy as they were in the beginning. And I want it more for Dean, who still doesnt have an identity of his own, and its not just the shipper in me, greedy to get more Dean/Cas, I just want Dean to let go of Sam and learn how to bbe close to him, without it being *everything* to him.
And Im afraid S6 will be like that too. *sigh* And if it is, then the show and I are done.
I know, its killing me, I was so hoping they'd build on S4, but instead they've just slowly ruined all that they gave us then. :(
I WONT EITHER! *WEEPS*
ps: ignore the typos, im not entirely awake and depressed as shit.
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Dean has always been a giver, which is why it is so out of character for him to be take, take, take where Cas is concerned. I'm all for Cas making sacrifices for Dean, but I want there to be some reciprocation. There was a time when Dean would do things because Castiel insisted, that isn't there now, everything is down to what Dean wants.
I like the Sam/Castiel friendship, but it really does make me miss what isn't there between Dean and Castiel anymore. I fell really cheated too, because at the beginning of the season they were still connected, he and Dean were friends and there was that wonderful chemistry between them, now it feels like there is nothing and I hate it.
They are pushing Dean/Cas away, and focusing more on the brothers at the last gasp here. I feel rather like it is lazy writing, because they don't want to focus on both despite the fact that a lot of us (I hope) really like the dynamic between Dean and Castiel.
I don't think all the signs are there, to be honest. I think Cas still has faith in Dean at the moment, especially after Dean didn't say yes. He is still fighting and he is kicking ass even though his batteries are drained. I am not losing faith in Cas yet. I think his path has changed now, unless Dean loses Sammy (which I doubt, especially permanently) Cas isn't going to end up like that. And he isn't so much as cut off from heaven as he is sapped of power. There are parallels, I know, with Cas feeling hopeless and not knowing what to do with himself but I also think there were moments in the episode where he fought through all the crap and got on with it, he could see when he saved Sam, that there were still things worth fighting for and he wasn't wholly purposeless.
I will miss Nick!Lucifer. And I am in two minds about Samifer, to be honest. I wasn't that impressed in The End, but I am sure Jared will do a great job and it will be good.
They will always be one another's priorities and I am fine with that. They are always going to be one another's weak spot. But yeah I want the codependence to go away, I want Dean to have someone outside of Sam to rely on and to have as a real friend. Another season that focuses solely on Sam and Dean and their relationship is just going to bore me, I need more. I love the brothers but I think it is time that they have their own lives too.
I really do want Dean to push Sam into the pit. I want him to let go and do something for the greater good. I really want this, it would be fantastic growth between the boys and I think it is really time for Dean to grow up just like his brother has. He needs to let go.
I hate the farce that s5 has become. We were promised so much more of Castiel and he has been quite wasted character-wise lately. The beginning of the season was so good for Dean/Cas and now it feels like they are ripping apart what we loved. I hate it.
Seriously, not going to watch this show if Cas isn't in it.
aww that's okay *huggles*
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Exactly, Im hating how its looking that Dean is using Cas. Ive been okay with Dean taking more than giving, so far, cuz God knows Dean needed someone like that, but now its becoming too unfair, Cas is as broken as he is, and has little to ~give, and he needs Dean too, yet he fails to see that. :(
I feel duped too, they're writing Sam/Cas so well, and wrecking Dean/Cas. Its painful to see someone else do for Cas, what ideally Dean should be doing.
Yeah, they're not just ignoring Dean/Cas now, they're driving them apart. Where is Jeremy Carver? *wails*
I see what you're saying, and I dont fully disagree, but Im still worried. Cas was still fighting even in 504, but he was empty, and I know the future will be different now, but Ive always believed that Cas ended up like that, mostly cuz of being cut from heaven, more than Dean being too far gone to help him. Thats why him turning human scares me, THAT will be his undoing.
Im going to talk more about this, in another entry maybe, I need to rant about a lot of things on the show.
Samifer was kinda weird in The End, but I liked him, I ~felt it. Thats why Im so darn excited about seeing Sam be taken over by the devil. But I will really really miss Nick!Lucifer. :(
True, it will always be the two of them, and not only am I good with that, I feel its right, in a way, I adore the brothers and what they have, but its time they discovered more, open up to people other than each other. Thats one of the biggest reasons why I shipped Dean/Cas, cuz I craved for Dean to have something meaningful, something to call his own, someone besides Sammy. Now I want this for both brothers in S6.
Yeah, I think Dean will have a role to play in all that, he MUST be the one to push Sam into the pit, and if it happens, I will be happy, it would be enormous for Dean, (and only mean good things for his character growth) and would make the fandom implode, but I need this to happen, Ive wanted this to happen for so long!
Thats the word for it, its a farce, and such a fucking waste, that its making me sad, so much that couldve been done, shouldve been. To make things worse, they've broken my Dean/Cas loving heart. :(
You and me, bb, you and me both.
*hugs* Thanks hun, had a weird night.
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There's taking, then there's taking it too far. There's no doubt about it, Dean came off a jerk with Castiel in this episode and I hated it. I want, so much, for Dean to give something back to Castiel, I want him to see that Cas is still crumbling here, he needs Dean. *sighs*
God I want Jeremy Carver!! Bring Dean and Cas back together people! :( And yes, it is painful to see other characters being the friend/doing the things Dean should be.
I have that worry too, I really do, that when the writers make Cas human that they will have him as he was in The End. He isn't so much cut off from heaven now as he is powerless. I want so much for them to do his character justice, I don't want him to become what he was in The End.
*pats* Sometimes ranting is needed, hell knows I went ranty on people moaning about Jimmy being dead (when I've kind of thought he was dead since 4x20, and I've always loved Cas more than Jimmy) and all the woe about the CW moving the day/starting mid-season (which is unlikely) yeah...I just needed to vent.
I will miss Nick!Lucifer, but I am really looking forward to seeing Samifer (I think I will like him a lot more when he isn't reciting the same words two episodes near each other, which is where my beef was) as its always interesting to see an actor play a different character in the same show (that makes sense...right?)
I adore the brothers too, but I do adore them as brothers and I think that they do need other people and relationships outside of one another. I love Dean/Cas for very much the same reasons as you do, and I want Sammy to have someone outside of his brother too. I don't think that them having this would make them any less close to one another.
I feel slightly sadistic or like I come across as Sam!hater (which I am so not, as you know) when I say I really want Dean to shove Sammy in the pit...It would be enormous and it would be awesome!
(and I was saying to Kim earlier, I'd really like for Season 6 to start with Dean and Cas having to get Sam back and Sam having to cope with things along the way like Dean did in S4, but that'll probably never happen *sigh* totally tempted to write it though, y/n?)
My heart is broken too *clings* I am so disappointed with what they have done with Castiel this season.
Poor thing *huggles*
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