I don't know...

Apr 22, 2004 22:22

It shouldn't bother me so much. But I guess I'm letting it. Just the fact that someone thinks of me as damaged or an awful person, and they can change their opinion of me so drastically in a matter of minutes. Aren't people supposed to learn from their past? How can anyone learn if they're not given the chance ( Read more... )

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firstd1mension April 22 2004, 20:42:20 UTC
well, i did read it. Ok, first off, YOU need to grow a backbone and stop caring so freaking much... I'm just some random schmuck off the internet who decided I wasn't interested. I've had people stop talking to me for every reason in the book. And just look at the crap I put up with... your friends going to my journal and using my moments of weakness as springboards to try to convince me I'm a worthless loser.

I feel like a better person as a result of it... I realize that u can't be weak, u just have to be who you're destined to be, be remorseless, and if people don't like it, let them rot! I actually had a good day at work because I learned that whenever you say "oh, I'm not so sure about myself," someone can come up and say "well I'm sure... sure that you're worthless!" And from this day forward I won't make that mistake. I'll let people know I think I'm the shit, and if they wanna come after me they're gonna lose.

Nobody should have power over you, not me, not your friends, not your boyfriends or husbands... I'm lucky in a sense cuz I don't have a net of friends who are gonna pet my head, but you should still take the same lesson out of this as I did. Fuck what people think. There may come a time that you're the only person standing up for yourself, and u gotta know who u are enough to laugh at someone who thinks less of you.

I was gonna continue to be your friend, but others decided that wasn't in your best interests, so it's not gonna happen. My advice to you is to be your own person. You be the one to tell a person to fuck off, and let that be the end of it. If we all lived in the same community, people could have been hurt over all this anger, u know. It's best to just let things go- when someone offends me online, I'm quick to just block em and be done with it.

And I don't keep friends that are gonna go start trouble for me and make decisions for me without my consent. My friends know I'd pop em in the mouth if they confronted someone I had issues with for my sake, without my consent.

So don't go beating yourself up. Listen to all your friends- I'm a jerk. It's true. A total, unabashed, 4th generation jerk. So give me the salute and focus on people who do like u.

PTFO!

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i_am_an_angel April 23 2004, 04:34:19 UTC
My friends are trying to stick up for me. I don't agree with their words, but their intentions were good. I don't consider you a "worthless loser", or any other negative term. I was just caught off guard by that conversation, and didn't know how to respond. I thought you were this very nice guy, and all of a sudden I fell almost attacked in a way. I wasn't sure if I was being overly-sensitive, or if I had a right to feel offended, which is why I showed a couple people the conversation.

I usually don't care what people think about me. Believe it or not it's true. If I consider someone some random person, they can be as much of an jerk to me as they want, I don't care. But people who I like(d), or consider(ed) a friend, when they say something that hurts my feelings, I will let it bother me. I should have said something to you instead of telling my friends, and letting them say something for me. I just didn't know what to say because it bothered me so much.

You're probably at the point where you just want to drop the whole subject. You don't want to have anything to do with me at all anymore. I just wish that didn't bother me so much.

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firstd1mension April 23 2004, 09:04:50 UTC
Well if that's what's bothering you, I'll still talk to u and be friends with you... I never didn't want to until I got all those attacks, and now that I have all those people sufficiently blocked, I don't see that being any problem. I didn't mean to come across so harshly so as to make you feel "damaged." I've just had to put up with a lot. I've covered dispatch before, and to see the people that come in and out of custody, and to talk to the victims... I just don't have much Political Correctness flowing through my veins, and you tell me your ex is some black dude in jail, and that's all u ever dated, I just picture the assholes we have in holding on a daily basis that fit that description, and it just turns me right off to think you'd associate with nothing but people like that. And then their abused girlfriends come in to post bail, and I just can't help but wonder what terrible things live inside them that would make them feel like they deserve that.

I work in a tough place, and people tell it like it is to me. I feel like I'm doing people a favor when I do the same with them, but I forget that people who don't work where I work like to keep things sugar-coated, and they get awfully fierce when people speak their minds. I have people say all kinds of things to me in Town Hall, and it's my responsibility to set them straight (without resorting to such words as "puss" and "loser," by the way). When I deal in HR, I have people apply for public safety positions that have 1st degree robberies on their rap sheets. I'm cynical. I say ruff things on a bad day. I may even pass judgements... god, who doesn't? But I'm sorry it caused you grief... that certainly wasn't my intention.

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i_am_an_angel April 23 2004, 14:08:28 UTC
Well honestly I would like if we could be friends. Of course that's all up to you. I could explain things that I don't feel uncomfortable posting on Live Journal. Maybe you'd understand a little more about me. But like I said, that's all up to you, and if you are willing to unblock me.

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luvu4legos2 April 23 2004, 18:37:45 UTC
you need to realize that who she dated doesnt make her who she is now. did she know her ex was going to end up in jail? no, it happend. did she know her other ex was going to cheat on her? no, none of us saw that coming. its like telling an orange that its an apple b/c it was next to the apples in the grocery store.

i never sugar coat anything. i never have in my life, and never will. but its one thing to tell someone that they're a horrible person b/c of who they have dated, and telling someone that they're just not "your type".

ive told kim many, many times that you were a jerk and to forget about you. b/c if you were going to say the things you did to her, then you didnt deserve her friendship. and although we all said that, she felt horrible. she was upset, and beating herself up over it.

did the person who told you that she was going to come to beat you up right? no, but her heart was in the right place.

you say that you have to "set people straight" without using "negative words". but you used many negative words when explaining things to Kim. telling her that she just isnt your type is one thing. saying its b/c she dated a black guy that went to jail makes her not your type, is another.

im curious. what bothers you more: the fact that she dated a black guy, or the fact that her ex is in jail? would it matter to you if she dated a white guy that went to jail? pure curiousity here.

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firstd1mension April 24 2004, 07:17:39 UTC
The black guy thing is just, if you've only dated outside your race, I don't wanna be the first cuz I'd always wonder if I were measuring up. (no pun intended, seriously.) But the jail thing topped it off. I'm of the school that there are "black people" and then there are "*@($*#&$" and... yeah. Nuff said. And I knew a lot of girls who JUST liked to date the latter, and they would make fun of white guys and get into these terrible relationships with these smooth-talking gangsta-G's who would eventually treat them like crap. It turned me off to exclusively interracial daters. Makes ME feel discriminated against, in a way. How would a black guy feel if he met some black girl and she was like "oh, I only date white guys." He'd think, "damn, she must not be attractd to black guys deep down. And I'm a black guy. Is it cuz she thinks white guys are smarter? Richer? Better-looking? I feel kinda self-conscious now. I'm gettin outta here." That's kinda how I felt. Has NOTHING to do with supremacy, as much as that would satisfy you. And the other side of it is "what kinds of people does she associate with? If I ever hang out with her, are thug gangstas on the streets gonna recognize us and try to get us in on their next beatdown? Will I be brought into uncomfortable situations? Will people start IM'ing me telling me they're gonna beat my puss ass?" It has nothing to do with "dating preferences," it has to do with avoiding dangerous or compromising circumstances. It has to do with taking care of myself, so it's a LOT deeper than hair or eye color or height or age, which are things I could personally give a shit less about (within reason, of course).

So would it have mattered if it were a white dude in jail? Yes. THey don't send ya to jail for running a red light or smoking a joint, or even just giving someone a fat lip- u have to really run contrary to the well-being of the community for that decision to be rendered by a judge or mandated by legislature, and I'm not so into that. The whole race thing just made me feel strangely discriminated against. Not superior, but rather inferior. Does she think black guys are more handsome? Better personalities? Stronger? Bigger dicks? So it added insult to injury. That's all.

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luvu4legos2 April 26 2004, 11:57:43 UTC
black guys are the guys that have given her most of the attention up until now. so like any girl, she goes where the attention is, with black guys.

how are YOU discriminated against when a white person wants to date a black person? or visa versa? or change the races...i dont understand how YOU can feel discriminated against, unless you are constantly being turned down, or turned away b/c your not black.

race shouldnt matter. past history shouldnt matter. gender shouldn't matter. thats all superficial b.s. you love someone based on WHO they are, not WHAT they are. its not a matter of if they are better, its a matter of being attracted to their personality, to WHOM they are not WHAT they are. and thats what attracted her to black men...she had more in common with them.

people are people, regardless of what or whom they date. if i date a man, does that make me straight? no. if i date a woman, does that make me gay? no. i'm bisexual, no matter who i date, i will always be bisexual. if i exclusivly date white men, does that make me racist against minority races? no. if i exclusivly date people of other races than my own, does that make me racist against my own race? no. i do not date these people based on creed, or color, or background, or whatever distinguishing features they have, i date what i am attracted to.

i still dont understand how HER preference of what she wants to date adds insult to injury. how does who I (or anyone for that matter) date affect you, unless, of course, you yourself have been passed up and girls you liked have been choosing men of other races over you.

if i met a black guy that i thought i was attracted to, and he wasnt attracted to me, id be like "okay, whatever." i wouldnt think it was b/c he wasnt attracted to me.

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firstd1mension April 27 2004, 09:38:32 UTC
I've already apologized to her, u know. This isn't a Supreme Court hearing over the legality of "dating preferences."

If I decided I didn't want to date her because there were too many vowels in her name, that's my perrogative. Hell, if I wanted to join the KKK tomorrow and say all sorts of crazy nasty things into a bullhorn in public places, it's my perrogative- it's a free country.

But I chose to defend the issue and myself thus far, and this is where I stop. I've settled the issue with her, so it's over.

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luvu4legos2 April 27 2004, 11:04:38 UTC
i typed out a whole great response, and now its gone. lovely.

okay this is what i am saying. as of now, it is no longer an issue, but more like morbid curiousity, so to speak. the human mind intrigues me. when people do something, i like to find out why. nothing is acted upon without something else triggering it.

im no longer trying to make this an issue, but i'm curious. you mentioned something saying that a white woman dating a black man is like rubbing salt in the wound...insult to injury i believe you called it. i'm curious as to why you think that way. im not saying you are wrong for not wanting to date a white woman that has dated a black man, but i am saying that you are wrong for judging a person based on their past actions.

again, its all curiousity, and you can feel free not to respond to this.

you can date someone based on anything you want. but then again, i am allowed to turn around and ask, "why?" b/c every prejudice has a reasoning behind it. for example, one could say i am prejudice against pop-tarts. i HATE those things. why? b/c i ate one, and the next day, got the flu. in my mind, i equated pop tarts with throwing up. a far-fetched example, but an example non-the-less.

curiousity killed the cat. good thing i'm not a cat. but i swear i should be an abnormal psych major.

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firstd1mension April 27 2004, 16:53:03 UTC
So this is all for academic curiosity? ok, I can do that.

Not a white woman dating A black man, but someone who has dated ALL black men. You keep confusing the subject, and it's a key point.

You want abnormal psychology? Ok, I used to have friends that brought me to hip hop clubs, where white guys are at a clear disadvantage, as we would all watch the girls we talked to go home with black guys. And watch our female friends go with mostly black guys. They'd get treated like crap, get abused, cheated on, and still they loved them. Why? For a love of things I don't value, and a rejection of things I do value. Well fine, choose as you may. But I turn and choose not to choose them. Enter a Buchanan-esque world of fear for the dawning of a culture that views whites as "un-hip."

i met girls i was interested in. they only dated black guys. the not-so-law-abiding type. i threw up. I now equate girls who only date black guys with throwing up. a far-fetched analogy, but an analogy none-the-less.

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luvu4legos2 April 28 2004, 05:50:47 UTC
it become clear. i can understand now. but what you have to realize is that not all white girls that date black guys date "bad" black guys. b/c a girl can date all white guys that treat her just as badly.

you have to understand that at first i was enraged by the fact that you hurt my friend, and then secondly, i was wondering what could cause such predjudice in someone. do i agree with you? not in the slightest. do i still think you are a jerk? unfortunatly yes. but now that i understand your point, i'm done.

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firstd1mension April 28 2004, 13:41:31 UTC
So with a smile and a middle finger, I bid you adieu.

=o)

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luvu4legos2 April 28 2004, 13:55:00 UTC
same to you.

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firstd1mension April 27 2004, 09:51:54 UTC
I've already apologized to her, u know. This isn't a Supreme Court hearing over the legality of "dating preferences."

If I decided I didn't want to date her because there were too many vowels in her name, that's my perrogative. Hell, if I wanted to join the KKK tomorrow and say all sorts of crazy nasty things into a bullhorn in public places, it's my perrogative- it's a free country.

But I chose to defend the issue and myself thus far, and this is where I stop. I've settled the issue with her, so it's over.

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