I feel your pain. Though I try to be a naysayer, I keep feeling like I'm in a highly unwelcome minority for pointing out what I believe are huge flaws in the show's ending. I've rewatched it a few times, and I still hate it, in fact more than ever
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Cheering journalistshmpfApril 15 2007, 14:36:29 UTC
Yeah, that mystifies me, too.
Also, I totally understand your feelings about Sam. I can't say I *hate* him, exactly, but I've gone off him in a big way. So, so sad. Liking him was nice. Now I have to reinvent him before I can like him again. :-(
What is it with you and bizarrely coloured foodstuffs? ;-)
Will e-mail you when I've collected my first batch of questions. The main question's really: Got any experience with patients in a persistent vegetative state?
I basically need to know what a typical day would look like in the 'waking-up phase' of one such making an unlikely recovery. I.e. typical nursing routines, types and frequency of therapy (once he's properly awake... well, actually, he'd probably be transferred to a specialised rehab facility pretty soon for that, wouldn't he?) etc. Loads of little details. Also, would there be a prognosis at some point or would they adopt more of a 'wait and see' approach due to the unpredictability of brain injury recovery?
So many questions... these are really just the tip of the iceberg.
Not sure how many of those questions you can answer; it really all depends on the first, doesn't it?
Well I'll make no bones about being one of those people who wanted Sam to stay in 1973 - but I wanted it to be a real 1973. One which turns into 1974 and eventually back to 2006. I wanted real time-travel dammit. (I do come at things from a SF perspective!) I wanted it to be Sam getting his "second chance" to make a difference and learning that feelings do have their uses.
And failing that ... if the whole thing had turned out to be a coma dream, I wanted him to return to 2006/7 with a new-found appreciation for life. And you know, Matthew Graham didn't have to write 2007 as a bleak, alienating environment. He could have had Sam wake up with all his family around him, crying for joy. Have his colleagues great him with "Welcome back, Sam. We missed you!" Instead of showing Sam in a tedious bureacratic meeting, shown us what drew Sam to his job in the first place
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And adding to my own post - what's more, I get the impression that Matthew wouldn't have shoehorned the last episode into the interpretation he did if he wasn't planning to write A2A, with a new character interacting with Gene. But he - or they - didn't seem to have the courage to make 1973 "real" (Euuggghhh! Science fiction!) so they resurrected poor Sam in 2007 only long enough for him to tape his 1973 experiences and pass them on, then had him jump off a building into fantasy land. Sam's character was massacred for pure plot convenience (unless we're being lied to because of, once again, A2A. I'm beginning to dread the thought of it.)
Otherwise... well there seems to be enough strangeness in the 2007 Sam returned to make me think it was all part of his coma dream. For instance, who leaves a hospital after a major illness on their own and wearing a suit? Didn't Sam need to convalesce? Doesn't he have anything else in his 2007 wardrobe
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sf perspective/FarscapehmpfApril 15 2007, 14:41:44 UTC
I actually come at things from an sf perspective, too, but while it was fun to play around with sf explanations for LOM, the writers never really gave us much reason to *really* believe any of those sf explanations, even before the show jumped the shark/building ;-). So, I never got too invested in the sf angle here, because it just never seemed very likely to me, within the framework the show seemed to have set itself.
I just wanted an ending that made sense within the logic of the story I'd been following so far. :-(
Ooops, forgot to type my Farscape response.hmpfApril 15 2007, 14:55:09 UTC
I was disappointed when Harvey was 'deactivated', too; that was a cop-out. And season four was uneven. But overall, it was still not the kind of artistic suicide that we saw Life On Mars committing. Flawed, yes, but not completely rotten, IMO. So for me, the real pain came when the show was cancelled - and Peacekeeper Wars is pretty bad, in my opinion, but mostly because they tried to cram all of season five into three hours, I think. I don't think Farscape ever *really* lost its integrity. Unlike LOM. :-(
Maybe we should start a community or something for it... so we won't contaminate other people's happiness, and also, so people like us will know where to find the kind of fic they need after this finale...
We could call it 'Alternate Alternate Reality'. Or is that too meta? Actually, I'd like to call it 'Jump off the canon building!' but that's kind of spoilery... *g*
Hmm, well, at least it would have to be a community for people who want to explore alternative interpretations of the ending, but I'd say we could also accept complete alternative universes. That would make it slightly less exclusive.
But we couldn't call it a spoilery name, could we?
Then again, the entire community's content would be spoilery, so...
(Why am I speaking about this as if it's already a fact that we're going to start it? *g*)
There doesn't seem to be a co-mod feature anymore on the communities thingy O.o''. Unless I'm brain dead and it's staring at me which is perfectly possible.
It shouldn't be so evil to maintain. I'll put the usual Use An LJ Cut, story format info on the profile page, and I guess we could also adopt the Cortina ratings system :P.
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Also, I totally understand your feelings about Sam. I can't say I *hate* him, exactly, but I've gone off him in a big way. So, so sad. Liking him was nice. Now I have to reinvent him before I can like him again. :-(
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Will e-mail you when I've collected my first batch of questions. The main question's really: Got any experience with patients in a persistent vegetative state?
I basically need to know what a typical day would look like in the 'waking-up phase' of one such making an unlikely recovery. I.e. typical nursing routines, types and frequency of therapy (once he's properly awake... well, actually, he'd probably be transferred to a specialised rehab facility pretty soon for that, wouldn't he?) etc. Loads of little details. Also, would there be a prognosis at some point or would they adopt more of a 'wait and see' approach due to the unpredictability of brain injury recovery?
So many questions... these are really just the tip of the iceberg.
Not sure how many of those questions you can answer; it really all depends on the first, doesn't it?
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And failing that ... if the whole thing had turned out to be a coma dream, I wanted him to return to 2006/7 with a new-found appreciation for life. And you know, Matthew Graham didn't have to write 2007 as a bleak, alienating environment. He could have had Sam wake up with all his family around him, crying for joy. Have his colleagues great him with "Welcome back, Sam. We missed you!" Instead of showing Sam in a tedious bureacratic meeting, shown us what drew Sam to his job in the first place ( ... )
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Otherwise... well there seems to be enough strangeness in the 2007 Sam returned to make me think it was all part of his coma dream. For instance, who leaves a hospital after a major illness on their own and wearing a suit? Didn't Sam need to convalesce? Doesn't he have anything else in his 2007 wardrobe ( ... )
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I just wanted an ending that made sense within the logic of the story I'd been following so far. :-(
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We could call it 'Alternate Alternate Reality'. Or is that too meta? Actually, I'd like to call it 'Jump off the canon building!' but that's kind of spoilery... *g*
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But we couldn't call it a spoilery name, could we?
Then again, the entire community's content would be spoilery, so...
(Why am I speaking about this as if it's already a fact that we're going to start it? *g*)
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It shouldn't be so evil to maintain. I'll put the usual Use An LJ Cut, story format info on the profile page, and I guess we could also adopt the Cortina ratings system :P.
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Anyhoo, you are co-mod now, LOL
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