The Dark Side Of Fandom

Jan 22, 2010 13:30

As many of you reading this will know, I'm a bit of a Star Trek fan. Well, actually more than a bit - I'm a huge, giant Star Trek fan. I was introduced to the Bill Shatner-helmed original series as a wee lad as my mum liked to sit and watch it when it was on (Friday nights, if I remember correctly) back in the mid-to-late 70s. I loved it then, and ( Read more... )

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psychochicken January 22 2010, 15:02:19 UTC
Amen. On the trek thing, I am not a fan. In fact, I generally dislike the franchise in general, finding it a bit weedy. I guess I never got hooked as a kid so don't have the nostalgia factor. I got hooked on B5 later, with its slightly less rosy view of inter species co-operation and complex politics, and more recently BSG with its sociological implications, but I've never been an SF fan per se.

It's ironic that I'm not an SF buff particularly, but I regularly attend SF conventions. People stare at me odd when I admit to not having seen the unmissable, or not having read the standard genre texts but I go because a lot of my friends are fans and it's a good social event. Plus the folks tehre are generally more interesting than the average punter down the pub and the myth that SF fans are antisocial misfits couldn't be further from the truth.

Meanwhile, back at Trek... We went to see it because Suze is a fan. I expected to lie back and think of Turner for two hours, but I actually really enjoyed the film. Bizarrely, contrary to my suspiscion that they'd just alienated every hard core fan in the world, I found nearly all the Trek fans I know were similarly besotted. One, in particular, went to see it at least 12 times I believe.

There is of course the obvious music parallels. When this happened with Somewhere Else it was the straw that broke the camel's back and I quit the forum. My parting post was along the lines of "look guys, it's just a record and they didn't make it purposefully bad just to piss you off" and was met with a wall of derision. One reply simply read "worst. post. ever." from a poster who had evidentally not included his own bile filled diatribes that precipitated my frustration in that assessment. For my own part, I've kept my disappointment with "les is more" quite low key - part from once or twice in jest - and whenever I've said I dislike it, I've gone on to say why. I've also not done so in any place which could realistically harm sales - I haven't moaned pre-release on Amazon, or filled threads on the website with negative bile appealing people not to buy the record to the point where the owner of the forum had to ask them not to. Cue hypocritical and ill-informed rants about freedom of speech....

I bet if you asked Trek fans what they loved about the show, at least some would cite its inventiveness, creativity and unpredictability. Strange then that those same fans would decry it for those self same attributes. Sound familiar?

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hippydave January 22 2010, 15:49:02 UTC
Firstly, if you liked the slightly less pink-tinted specs approach of "Babylon 5", you need to get watching "Deep Space Nine". Seriously. Until the re-booted BSG came along, it was easily the most realistic and likeable series dealing with inter-species communication breakdown, political intrigue and the outbreak of interstellar warfare. It may just challenge your existing perception of Trek as overly "safe", which I have to say, even as a fan, I do understand. "TNG" is a great show, but it's very cerebral and family-friendly for the most part. "Voyager" fell into the same trap for the most part: the set-up was full of possibilities for conflict and danger, and whilst danger remained on the menu, conflict generally wasn't, so it sort of fell between two stools. "Enterprise" learned from its mistakes, but was only really getting into its stride when it was cancelled. "Deep Space Nine" is nothing like as cosy - which led to many Trek fans disowning it altogether, saying its emphasis on conflict and tendency to serve up anything bu the easy answers wasn't something that Trek creator Gene Rodenberry would have approved of. They were wrong. Other than "The X Files", "DS9" is probably still my favourite TV show of all time, never mind favourite sci-fi. I can quite understand your comments about SF fandom generally, too - my experience is very similar, though I have yet to attend a convention of any sort.

As for the music side of things and the MOLF... I think we've all been there. I keep prodding away at getting some of the malcontents barred since I still post there from time to time (most recently due to posting the poll results there), but nothing ever changes. As time passes, I become more and more aware that there's no point trying to do my bit to better the place, as a Marillion-based slice of paradise already exists. I moderate it with like-minded folks, and it's called The Opium Den. I really should use it more, and this year have resolved to do so.

Your final paragraph says it all. You're absolutely 100% on the money! If I could insert a rolly-eyes emoticon, I would insert it ! :-)

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psychochicken January 22 2010, 16:37:37 UTC
Conventions. You have to be careful. Well, I have to be careful. There are many kinds - you have what used to be refered to as 'the media con'. This is the stereotype view of what an SF convention is - a bunch of people sitting around watching their favourite TV show. It used to be a bunch of people watching episodes they maybe hadn't seen, possibly imported from the States but in this day and age of internet downloads and litigous producers, they tend to be very lucrative and very expensive opportunities to sell merchandise and pay to have your picture taken with a star of the show. No thanks.

Then there's the "proper" convention, where it's all literature and panels about the sociological impact of New Caprica or whatever; which is good as far as it goes but the most fun happens when folks have had a few beers and the conversation gets going. I recall one afternoon on the beer during which I, in conjunction with a couple of folk I'd just met, designed a pufferfish gun to enable zombies to turn people into zombies at a distance. Much discussion was given to whether the shock of being fired from a gun, or that of the rapdidly approaching wall of flesh would make the fish inflate and become poisonous. A disporportionate amount of time was also dedicated to the back mounted water tank, as opposed to the firing mechanism itself....

A relatively recent development - what's become known as the 'fun con' - is my domain. An excuse to spend a weekend being desperately silly without being stupid, fun cons take all the silliness that generall ensued on the periphery of other cons and makes it the focus. Silly games, ludicrous panels, and of course, much drinking and merriment are the aim, often forsaking SF or indeed any other theme entirely. I'd heartily recommend it.

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hippydave January 22 2010, 16:55:11 UTC
Yeah, a "Fun Con" sounds more like my cup o' Rosey Lee. Sound advice there, I think. Much as I absolutely adore all things Trek - and I love all iterations of the show - nothing fills me with dread like the idea of sharing a room with a bunch of Math Club anal retentives dressed in Starfleet uniforms trying to get their homemade tricorders signed by Brent Spiner.

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psychochicken January 22 2010, 16:40:08 UTC
Poked my head in on the molf today. Does BrianTheLion ever post without mentioning Rangers football club or bellyaching about a gig that was now nearly two months ago???

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hippydave January 22 2010, 16:59:15 UTC
Has BrianTheLion ever posted anything even remotely worthwhile? Ever? Seems to me it's a bunch of adolescent Rangers/Iron Maiden/"liberals are cowardly idiots" bullshit scattered liberally (ha!) with condescending "I-know-better-than-you" comments and intolerant thread-pissing.

Hopefully he'll take Lucy's advice and not come to the convention. I'm sure the atmosphere will be that little bit lighter without him there to sully it.

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itwasatrickpie January 27 2010, 07:25:31 UTC
Aww but that was hilarious. I was thinking up brian quote generator lines all afternoon ;o)

"I LIKE MY GERS LIKE I LIKE MY THATTHERS: COVERED IN LENTILS"

"I HAVE REPORTED YOU TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR LIBULLING ME AS IT IS A CRIME."

"I THINK MAIDEN IS A PRETTY COOL GUY. EH THROWS LARGE THATTHERS AT NEW LABOUR AND DOESN'T AFRAID OF ANYTHING!!!1!"

etc...

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hippydave January 28 2010, 15:21:03 UTC
LOL!

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friedegg_ntl January 22 2010, 18:14:22 UTC
To me, the step back and let them all stew in their own outrage is always the answer. It's not that I lack passion for the subject, it's just that I have no time to waste on discussing stuff* - I'd much rather just get and on indulge the passion for the stuff. Makes like much more fun!

With the 100%-piss-and-moan people, such as much of the plopulation of the MOLF, I usually just ignore them.

* stuff = film/music/language/computer science principle/beer

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hippydave January 24 2010, 18:02:16 UTC
Yes indeed. I think I may have just - finally - hit my limit with the MOLF. I've got pissed off with it several times and left it alone for a few weeks, then gone back, acting as if I've only just discovered the place. Which works for a while, until the torrent of negativity and mean-spirited bikcering sets in once again...

Now that the poll is done, I think I'll be giving it a wide berth. For my own sanity if no-one else's.

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livingarmchair January 22 2010, 22:59:30 UTC
I rarely read the "Marillion" part of the MOLF as it seems to be full of people slagging off the albums, the producer, etc, etc. (Although I really liked Somewhere Else)

Neved like the ST series much, but loved the first Motion Picture which everyone hates! That usually leads to baffled silence. And then when I say I like the one Shatner directed you can see them foaming...:)

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hippydave January 24 2010, 17:59:15 UTC
Well, you're not alone as far as the first "Trek" film goes, because I always loved it too! The Shatner-helmed "Final Frontier", though? I think you're the first person I've ever met - even after having spent years talking "Trek" with likeminded folks - that has actually said they liked that one! :-)

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