Also, the monster movie shifter. He was a...kidnapper and murderer. (You know, even though he was a murdering monster, you've got to give him credit for style
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Though didn't that one imply that he was born to a normal family who then rejected him because he was a monster?
Oh yeah, I forgot about him! In that case, I'm pretty sure it must be the case that he was a rape-baby, whose Shifter-father never came to reclaim him. The shifter in Skin spoke along similar lines.
Though I do have to agree somewhat with the avclub reviewer that it was a little too easy. And it just feels a little fic-y, because I swear I've read it before.I do agree that it all seemed a little easy. But, that being said, I'm not going to harp on it for being fanservice or fic-y. The fact is that a lot of people write on these themes, using these plot-devices for a REASON. I don't think the fact that it's over used in fanfic should preclude it from being used on the show. I don't really think that it was a show about a baby so much as they used the baby to hit the major points - Sam needing Dean's help. Dean not trusting the Campbells. The Alpha-Monster story-arc...and a catalyst to cause Lisa to be an awesome
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Though I'm not really complaining about potential pandering. I just kept getting little bits of deja vu. (and maybe a teeny bit of vindication for some stories i've enjoyed?)
I like though that they didn't drop the "something wrong with sam" vibe, even though he was acting more normal.
I agree. I think in this case, it's less the shows fault and more ours - when you read a lot of fanfic (which I sort of touched on in my review) your perception of the show can get a bit skewed. If we weren't that involved in fandom, we probably wouldn't see the baby storyline as pandering...or at least we might not.
I'm also happy they didn't drop the "something wrong with Sam" vibe - AND that we got to see a little of the Sam we knew, in that he wasn't COMPLETELY cold and still had the capacity to be frazzled and want his brother. I think they're doing it pretty well...giving us Sam, but a Sam that we aren't 100% sure we can completely trust.
Now, why he had to go meet Sam and have a look when he was going to have to go home and pack a bag again is beyond me, but that's what they did.
I think that was because Dean didn't want Sam to accidentally have any monsters follow him to the new house they just moved into.
And kudos for admitting your fanon fail! Seriously, I read tons of fanfic everyday but you have to remember what's actually canon before you complain about it. ;D
Also thank you for geeking out about the car and the song as much as I did. LOL For a moment, I thought it was just me.
One throw-away bit that may come back: how did the annoying cousin know that Dean was a torturer in Hell? Either Sam told him (which hopefully isn't the case as that's some high-level betrayal there), or cousin/the Campbells have some other insider information.
See, I'm really afraid that Sam DID tell him. Right after he brought it up, there was a cut-away shot of Sam looking vaguely displeased...and yeah, I'm just really worried about that betrayal.
That being said, the Campbells seem to have the inside scoop on EVERYTHING...so, maybe it's just that they knew just how involved the Winchesters were with the apocalypse.
You're right about the cut-away shot. Still, I'd like to keep a small glimmer of hope that it's the evil all-knowing Campbells and not Sam's betrayal. Not like it would be a first or anything though :(
Personally, I'm a little worried that the Campbells did something to Sam...maybe unintentionally...but yeah, I'm concerned that Sam returned from whatever horrors were visited upon him in the cage, and the first group of people to find him were cold-hearted-Campbells. Obviously, though, Bobby knows Sam's still around...so maybe that wasn't the case. Maybe Sam being messed up is all due to his own psyche...
But yeah, so part of me thinks that maybe it wasn't so much a betrayal, as being manipulated into telling them...like, maybe Sam was in a fragile mental state and they used it to get information out of him. But then, this is probably just me making excuses for Sam (if he did indeed tell them.)
But, as you said, there's also the fact that the Campbells seem to know far too much....
I was kinda annoyed with Sam about Christian knowing that Dean learned how to torture people, while he was in hell. I mean, how else would he have found out about that, if Sam hadn't told them.
Dean trusted Sam with knowing about that, about breaking in hell, and I don't think that Sam had the right to go tell people about that.
Yes, I'm also worried that Sam told them. But, the Campbells also seem to be uber-knowledgable about everything...so there IS a slim possibility that they found out about both Sam's and Dean's rolls in the apocalypse without Sam having to say anything...
...still, though, studying the way they shot that scene. I think it might actually be a case of Sam telling them. And if that's the case, then that was a pretty shitty thing for Sam to do.
Ok, so at first I was a little disappointed that they explained away Dean's capability with babies by mentioning a niece of Lisa's or something...because I know I, and much of the rest of the fandom, were looking for confirmation that Dean is good with babies because he looked after Sam as a baby. But, then I realized that I was being ridiculous for many reasons: 1) that's FANON - there's no evidence that John was THAT horrible of a father. 2)Dean was 5 or 6 when Sam was a baby-baby. Speaking of someone who was 6 and 7 when their sibling was a baby-baby and who has a a VERY GOOD MEMORY...I have VERY little recollection from that time. Now, we know Dean has an awesome memory, because he remembers a fight his mum and Dad had when he was 4...but even with a strong memory, you aren't going to remember the ins and outs of caring for a baby from when you were 5/6. So, it's unrealistic to have that be the reason that Dean knows. 3)We know the boys had babysitters when they were young. Dean talked about one in S5, and we also MET one in S5.
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There's a difference between raising a kid and looking after babies though...it's the same with my little sister. We were latchkey kids really, from when she was 5 or 6...and she's said before that I raised her. Raising is more like teaching right and wrong, manners, and how to tie your shoes and such. Whereas knowledge of babies is a completely separate thing.
Now, that being said, I didn't mean to imply that Sam had NOTHING to do with Dean's parenting skills. As you said, caring for Sam when he was younger is probably what made Dean the more paternal Winchester...and looking after Lisa's niece is what has caused him to know what modern baby-products to buy at the store and whatnot.
So, I don't think you are romanticizing it TOO much. I mean, baby-knowledge aside, Dean IS more paternal than Sam (and not just current-Sam, but past-Sam as well).
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Oh yeah, I forgot about him! In that case, I'm pretty sure it must be the case that he was a rape-baby, whose Shifter-father never came to reclaim him. The shifter in Skin spoke along similar lines.
Though I do have to agree somewhat with the avclub reviewer that it was a little too easy. And it just feels a little fic-y, because I swear I've read it before.I do agree that it all seemed a little easy. But, that being said, I'm not going to harp on it for being fanservice or fic-y. The fact is that a lot of people write on these themes, using these plot-devices for a REASON. I don't think the fact that it's over used in fanfic should preclude it from being used on the show. I don't really think that it was a show about a baby so much as they used the baby to hit the major points - Sam needing Dean's help. Dean not trusting the Campbells. The Alpha-Monster story-arc...and a catalyst to cause Lisa to be an awesome ( ... )
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I like though that they didn't drop the "something wrong with sam" vibe, even though he was acting more normal.
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I'm also happy they didn't drop the "something wrong with Sam" vibe - AND that we got to see a little of the Sam we knew, in that he wasn't COMPLETELY cold and still had the capacity to be frazzled and want his brother. I think they're doing it pretty well...giving us Sam, but a Sam that we aren't 100% sure we can completely trust.
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I think that was because Dean didn't want Sam to accidentally have any monsters follow him to the new house they just moved into.
And kudos for admitting your fanon fail! Seriously, I read tons of fanfic everyday but you have to remember what's actually canon before you complain about it. ;D
Also thank you for geeking out about the car and the song as much as I did. LOL For a moment, I thought it was just me.
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Ooo...smart. I think that must be it.
And yeah, I like to keep that firm divider up between canon and fanon...but every once in a while something sneaks through :P
I think everyone geeked out about the car! :)
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That being said, the Campbells seem to have the inside scoop on EVERYTHING...so, maybe it's just that they knew just how involved the Winchesters were with the apocalypse.
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But yeah, so part of me thinks that maybe it wasn't so much a betrayal, as being manipulated into telling them...like, maybe Sam was in a fragile mental state and they used it to get information out of him. But then, this is probably just me making excuses for Sam (if he did indeed tell them.)
But, as you said, there's also the fact that the Campbells seem to know far too much....
The plot thickens indeed!!
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Dean trusted Sam with knowing about that, about breaking in hell, and I don't think that Sam had the right to go tell people about that.
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...still, though, studying the way they shot that scene. I think it might actually be a case of Sam telling them. And if that's the case, then that was a pretty shitty thing for Sam to do.
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1) that's FANON - there's no evidence that John was THAT horrible of a father.
2)Dean was 5 or 6 when Sam was a baby-baby. Speaking of someone who was 6 and 7 when their sibling was a baby-baby and who has a a VERY GOOD MEMORY...I have VERY little recollection from that time. Now, we know Dean has an awesome memory, because he remembers a fight his mum and Dad had when he was 4...but even with a strong memory, you aren't going to remember the ins and outs of caring for a baby from when you were 5/6. So, it's unrealistic to have that be the reason that Dean knows.
3)We know the boys had babysitters when they were young. Dean talked about one in S5, and we also MET one in S5. ( ... )
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Now, that being said, I didn't mean to imply that Sam had NOTHING to do with Dean's parenting skills. As you said, caring for Sam when he was younger is probably what made Dean the more paternal Winchester...and looking after Lisa's niece is what has caused him to know what modern baby-products to buy at the store and whatnot.
So, I don't think you are romanticizing it TOO much. I mean, baby-knowledge aside, Dean IS more paternal than Sam (and not just current-Sam, but past-Sam as well).
But yeah...boys and babies is adorable :)
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