Re: this is more for my benefit, than yours.helenixMay 29 2008, 01:28:42 UTC
Ahh, yes. The gender-specific pronoun was used to reflect my understanding of polarity: Yin & Yang, Dark & Light, Egg & Sperm, etc.
I consider Innocence to be on the 'feminine' or receptive end of the spectrum, whereas I view Wisdom to be on the 'masculine' or projective end.
While I'm moving from innocence (through ignorance) toward wisdom, i think it better to simply pray for others & act on changing what I can in my self, which my feelings about others' paths will bring to light for me. Instead of directing negative thoughts toward them, & wasting my own energy, I can use their 'mistakes', as I see them, as teachers. Receptivity, listening, as you suggest.
I believe there is great value in trusting the unfolding of the Universe.
Another adage, "resist not evil."
"Acceptance and innocence are closely knit, I think."
I agree.
I think I may with the intention to destroy the 'thing that judges'. I wonder if destruction is resistence. I wonder if my energy would be better spent embracing the thing that judges, the smaller-self, shall we say. Or 'ego', if you prefer. If I simply allow ego to float in larger, more compassionate, awareness, does it not dissolve of its own accord?
Re: this is more for my benefit, than yours.helenixMay 29 2008, 20:23:38 UTC
Is decreeing something to be 'wrong' not embracing duality? 'Right' vs. 'Wrong'.
I don't find that understanding the apparent duality of the physical universe takes me further from the higher reality of unity.
I tend to see apparent dualities in terms of their unity. In order for something to exist, something must balance it. Dark & Light, being the most obvious of these, to me. Both exist simultaneously. Both require the other to exist in the first place. Therefore, they are one. A unity of opposites.
I use the word polarity in-stead of duality for this reason: polarity recognises the opposing ends of one thing, rather than dividing one into two.
I had a moment the other week when I was meditating on the idea of this physical experience as illusion. I've long held the belief that this is illusion. Then a voice in my head (my Higher Self, God-Self, True Self, whatever word you like to use) floated through with the question, "Do you PERCEIVE the illusion?" I had to admit that I do indeed perceive it. "All that we perceive is real."
The existence of a higher reality (unity) does not negate the existence of a lower, or denser, reality (the polarisation of the unity).
Re: this is more for my benefit, than yours.ioncedreamtyouMay 30 2008, 03:35:13 UTC
Hmm. I'll take that apart, at my liesure.
I do, however, think that the split, here is between reality, and perception - I don't think that perception is real, necessarily, it just feels that way. I don't recognize two realities, just that we overlay a false perception over actuality.
We're going a little further into this than I've wandered.
Sorry, I couldn't help itanomniverseMay 30 2008, 04:14:36 UTC
Is decreeing something to be 'wrong' not embracing duality? 'Right' vs. 'Wrong'.
Yeah, it is. ioncedreamtyou chose his words poorly. That's all.
I don't find that understanding the apparent duality of the physical universe takes me further from the higher reality of unity.
You're right. Even if duality is artificial, it is reality as we see it in every day lives. We aren't here to destroy our egos- THAT is blatant duality. Indeed to achieve enlightenment, ego and imagination must be at work... in particular ways. Impermanence is at the root of everything, and clinging to some sensation of ego-death will only bring suffering. Ego, in a sense, ought to be embraced.
I had a moment the other week when I was meditating on the idea of this physical experience as illusion. I've long held the belief that this is illusion. Then a voice in my head (my Higher Self, God-Self, True Self, whatever word you like to use) floated through with the question, "Do you PERCEIVE the illusion?" I had to admit that I do indeed perceive it. "All that we perceive is real."
I consider Innocence to be on the 'feminine' or receptive end of the spectrum, whereas I view Wisdom to be on the 'masculine' or projective end.
While I'm moving from innocence (through ignorance) toward wisdom, i think it better to simply pray for others & act on changing what I can in my self, which my feelings about others' paths will bring to light for me. Instead of directing negative thoughts toward them, & wasting my own energy, I can use their 'mistakes', as I see them, as teachers. Receptivity, listening, as you suggest.
I believe there is great value in trusting the unfolding of the Universe.
Another adage, "resist not evil."
"Acceptance and innocence are closely knit, I think."
I agree.
I think I may with the intention to destroy the 'thing that judges'. I wonder if destruction is resistence. I wonder if my energy would be better spent embracing the thing that judges, the smaller-self, shall we say. Or 'ego', if you prefer. If I simply allow ego to float in larger, more compassionate, awareness, does it not dissolve of its own accord?
I find it does.
But that is my experience.
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Destruction, in my usage, merely implies intent. I don't know that you can destroy something that doesn't really exist, save that you let it.
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I don't find that understanding the apparent duality of the physical universe takes me further from the higher reality of unity.
I tend to see apparent dualities in terms of their unity. In order for something to exist, something must balance it. Dark & Light, being the most obvious of these, to me. Both exist simultaneously. Both require the other to exist in the first place. Therefore, they are one. A unity of opposites.
I use the word polarity in-stead of duality for this reason: polarity recognises the opposing ends of one thing, rather than dividing one into two.
I had a moment the other week when I was meditating on the idea of this physical experience as illusion. I've long held the belief that this is illusion. Then a voice in my head (my Higher Self, God-Self, True Self, whatever word you like to use) floated through with the question, "Do you PERCEIVE the illusion?" I had to admit that I do indeed perceive it. "All that we perceive is real."
The existence of a higher reality (unity) does not negate the existence of a lower, or denser, reality (the polarisation of the unity).
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I do, however, think that the split, here is between reality, and perception - I don't think that perception is real, necessarily, it just feels that way. I don't recognize two realities, just that we overlay a false perception over actuality.
We're going a little further into this than I've wandered.
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I didn't say two realities. I said layers.
I do agree that there is a divide between subjective truth & objective truth.
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Is decreeing something to be 'wrong' not embracing duality? 'Right' vs. 'Wrong'.
Yeah, it is. ioncedreamtyou chose his words poorly. That's all.
I don't find that understanding the apparent duality of the physical universe takes me further from the higher reality of unity.
You're right. Even if duality is artificial, it is reality as we see it in every day lives. We aren't here to destroy our egos- THAT is blatant duality. Indeed to achieve enlightenment, ego and imagination must be at work... in particular ways. Impermanence is at the root of everything, and clinging to some sensation of ego-death will only bring suffering. Ego, in a sense, ought to be embraced.
I had a moment the other week when I was meditating on the idea of this physical experience as illusion. I've long held the belief that this is illusion. Then a voice in my head (my Higher Self, God-Self, True Self, whatever word you like to use) floated through with the question, "Do you PERCEIVE the illusion?" I had to admit that I do indeed perceive it. "All that we perceive is real."
What perceives it?
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Awareness.
That's all.
That's all I am, at my most fundamental level. A point of awareness in a sea of consciousness.
& Yet... the drop of water IS the sea.
<3
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