Excellent spork. I don't approve of rapefic at all, and yet your comments made this into something humorous.
Maybe because I've dropped out of caring about social issues at all, but I wasn't really bothered by your describing Olette as slutty, or as describing Larxene as a dyke (I fail to see how she is connected with Dutch levees, but whatever), since in my opinion Olette is a slut not because of her choices in fic, but because this is a blatant contradiction of canon where Olette appears to have no sexual involvement whatsoever, making her "slutty" by comparison.
But as I said above...
Dr. Sceptile: Blah blah tolerance blah. Humblot: You really must stop that, Brit. It's getting annoying. Dr. Sceptile: I'll say what I want without PCness and society deciding what I should say because I might hurt their ~feelings~, thank you very much. Humblot, Dusknoir: *facepalm*
Well, thank you. It's a bit sad that I've gotten to the point where the high point of my (internet)day is a comment where I'm not yelled at, but that's life. However, you're a bit late to ride to the rescue, as I've already begun to set up a line of self-depricating jokes about the subject (assuming I'm ever allowed to post again; my latest spork has been in line for submission for a week or so now). Huzzah!
And, also, that was the point I was trying to make. Canon vs. Fanfic. No more, no less. However, it seems that what I said instead was 'I'm-the-only-man-around-here-and-I-dissaprove-of-the-sexual-freedoms-of-women.' But, then, that's life. Thank you for still reading.
I'd just like to clarify (with the caveat that I am not one of the people who originally objected to your post and therefore cannot claim to speak for any or all of them) that most people probably wouldn't take issue with that sentiment (i.e. out-of-character characters are annoying, sexual activity can be a part of characterization, thus sexual activity diverging heavily from canon is annoying
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Eh, I won't say anything about that sentiment (I think that both men and women should be abstinent, but that's my religion talking) but I don't really like the use of "slut" or "promiscuous" as an insult. Besides sounding ridiculous and/or old, it doesn't really fit into modern culture or God-given free will.
Beyond that, I really think that "slut", the word, can be forgotten. It's not needed anymore, it sounds ridiculous, and chances are anyone using that word as an insult is being a hypocrite based off of what they did when younger that they are now condemning people for.
I will stand by my "blah blah tolerance blah" thing, but that's because so much PCness nowadays has gotten so annoying that I'm lashing back at it- much like ponies. It's not wrong, but I do think that it's hampering freedom of speech.
protip: freedom of speech IS NOT freedom from criticism.
You can still say things, everyone else has the freedom to call you a douchebag for it, said calling you a douchebag does not in anyway prevent you saying things- there for PC is only hurting your feelings, not hampering your free speech.
And this doesn't even cover all the things wrong with suggesting you actually have rights to free speech on privately owned websites.
The one who thinks that arguments work better if they type in all caps and swear a lot.
You have no idea how tempted I am to call you a douchebag because of that right now, but I won't. You're right. PCness doesn't violate freedom of speech, but it does annoy someone who sees so much of it being slung about everywhere that I backlash against it.
Not all caps, just caps on emphasised points because most people are apparently too stupid to notice italics and I'm generally too cranky to want to deal with that ever.
In other news, gosh, I do so wonder why I get the very distinct impression you're straight, cisgendered and male.
Before this goes too farplotmasterOctober 7 2011, 00:18:27 UTC
Can we all just agree to disagree before this whole thing turns into a colossal, community-destroying flame war? Honestly, it's a spork, and it would be a very silly place to make a stand about a cause of any kind, really. You both have good points, and you both seems rather passionate about your stance, which means that this can only end in tears. Please, for the sake of everyone, can we all just let the wounds heal on this whole thing?
Re: Before this goes too farpervertparadoxOctober 7 2011, 01:25:05 UTC
If such a flame war were to 'destroy the community' I would think the the sporkers would be better off looking into a new hobby due to being more sensitive than the authors they make fun of for being sensitive.
I would like to note for the record this has very little to do with the spork and more to do with 'spraying misogynistic bullshit everywhere after things were squared away and apologised for.'
>Implication one's physical appearance or personality has anything to do with their sexual habits. >Implication one can tell someone has been sexually involved with someone by sight alone that does not involve observation of the act.
Maybe because I've dropped out of caring about social issues at all, but I wasn't really bothered by your describing Olette as slutty, or as describing Larxene as a dyke (I fail to see how she is connected with Dutch levees, but whatever), since in my opinion Olette is a slut not because of her choices in fic, but because this is a blatant contradiction of canon where Olette appears to have no sexual involvement whatsoever, making her "slutty" by comparison.
But as I said above...
Dr. Sceptile: Blah blah tolerance blah.
Humblot: You really must stop that, Brit. It's getting annoying.
Dr. Sceptile: I'll say what I want without PCness and society deciding what I should say because I might hurt their ~feelings~, thank you very much.
Humblot, Dusknoir: *facepalm*
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And, also, that was the point I was trying to make. Canon vs. Fanfic. No more, no less. However, it seems that what I said instead was 'I'm-the-only-man-around-here-and-I-dissaprove-of-the-sexual-freedoms-of-women.'
But, then, that's life. Thank you for still reading.
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Beyond that, I really think that "slut", the word, can be forgotten. It's not needed anymore, it sounds ridiculous, and chances are anyone using that word as an insult is being a hypocrite based off of what they did when younger that they are now condemning people for.
I will stand by my "blah blah tolerance blah" thing, but that's because so much PCness nowadays has gotten so annoying that I'm lashing back at it- much like ponies. It's not wrong, but I do think that it's hampering freedom of speech.
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You can still say things, everyone else has the freedom to call you a douchebag for it, said calling you a douchebag does not in anyway prevent you saying things- there for PC is only hurting your feelings, not hampering your free speech.
And this doesn't even cover all the things wrong with suggesting you actually have rights to free speech on privately owned websites.
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Oh, wait... it's you.
The one who thinks that arguments work better if they type in all caps and swear a lot.
You have no idea how tempted I am to call you a douchebag because of that right now, but I won't. You're right. PCness doesn't violate freedom of speech, but it does annoy someone who sees so much of it being slung about everywhere that I backlash against it.
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In other news, gosh, I do so wonder why I get the very distinct impression you're straight, cisgendered and male.
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I would like to note for the record this has very little to do with the spork and more to do with 'spraying misogynistic bullshit everywhere after things were squared away and apologised for.'
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>Implication one can tell someone has been sexually involved with someone by sight alone that does not involve observation of the act.
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