The federal government taxes you because it needs money. The government is not some kind of evil greedy machine. Everything has to paid for somehow, if the federal government just 'decided' to do everything for free, than the economy would collapse.
Things like roads. Powerlines. Water pipelines. Phonelines. That's not coming out of the sky. That's being paid for by your taxes.
that's true too. however, the point he's making is that income tax for individual people is illegal and unconstitutional. he's not proposing wee get rid of taxes. he's proposing we get rid of "income tax" for individuals, or change it to something that is constitutional.
also, it's not that the government is some kind of evil greedy machine, it's that banks have historically acted as, and are currently acting as, some kind of evil greedy machine. and banks are in damn good control of the government right now.
"The fact that you think this is true just goes to show that propaganda works." propaganda, like most things, is a two-way street. the fact that you think income taxes are needed for government spending on public works also just goes to show that propaganda works.
"Exactly what part of the constitution is saying that income tax is unconstitutional?" i dunno. it's the part that adresses taxes, and the 16th amendment. the interview starts adressing this at time 22:30
"Also, look at this. He’s fucking rich. He’s fucking rich and he probably has been all of his life. He’s not a director, he’s a producer, he’s paid for movies that have grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars." hehehe. that's entirely possible. that doesn't make him wrong though.
A lot of the premises you are using to form your arguements are false. As your response progresses it also starts using logical fallacies to prove the point.
Do you have a real interest in learning about the tecicalities of the subject or do you just want to feel like you're right/superior by quoting the propoganda you were raised with (to disprove all the arguments he's made).
I don't really want to be a dick so I don't really think there's any point in explaining the holes in each assertion you made (ie flawed premises or logic).
however I really feel the need to do it for this one 'He’s fucking rich.....He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars.' INCOME TAX DOES NOT AFFECT HIM IN ANY MANNER there is a reason why the rich tend to support income taxes.
but wait. individual income tax is 35% for money made above 335,000 per year. unless he's protesting individual income tax by not paying - which would be appropriate - individual income tax affects him. or is there something else i'm missing?
He's probably not paying, because he's a big wieght libertarian, but yes, of course income tax legally applies to him. It applies to anyone who brings in an income above a certain level.
I don't have time to respond to this all day. However, I'm amused at
"It it technically illegal. There is no law on the books allowing it, and the rules of the constitution serving as the framework saying "you need a law to exist to be taxed."
Do you know your constitution? Have you bothered to see what the 16th amendment is?
Again, where are you getting your facts? From this video?
Thanks for ignoring every point I raised and just giving a blanketing "no you're stupid I'm right" statement to counter it.
but to answer your question, I've been studying this subject for about 2 years. Most people can't be fucked to read anything (or be able to understand it) so they need it hand fed a video detailing the basic thesis. That's why I endorse this video, I don't really think there's another realistic way to overcome the masses ignorance on this subject.
in refereence to B) the point is that they, being the goverenment, are paying the extortion by imposing taxes. specifically: by imposing the individual income tax.
i mean, you're right that taxes are useful and necessary to pay expenses. but if the federal reserve were abolished, income taxes could be used to pay off the US debt, instead of prolonging the inevitable.
and i just remembered a Colbert Report episode that said that if everyone paid their income taxes, the debt would be gone, and we'd have a 100 billion surplus.
The federal government taxes you because it needs money. The government is not some kind of evil greedy machine. Everything has to paid for somehow, if the federal government just 'decided' to do everything for free, than the economy would collapse.
Things like roads. Powerlines. Water pipelines. Phonelines. That's not coming out of the sky. That's being paid for by your taxes.
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however, the point he's making is that income tax for individual people is illegal and unconstitutional.
he's not proposing wee get rid of taxes. he's proposing we get rid of "income tax" for individuals, or change it to something that is constitutional.
also, it's not that the government is some kind of evil greedy machine, it's that banks have historically acted as, and are currently acting as, some kind of evil greedy machine. and banks are in damn good control of the government right now.
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propaganda, like most things, is a two-way street. the fact that you think income taxes are needed for government spending on public works also just goes to show that propaganda works.
"Exactly what part of the constitution is saying that income tax is unconstitutional?"
i dunno. it's the part that adresses taxes, and the 16th amendment.
the interview starts adressing this at time 22:30
"Also, look at this. He’s fucking rich. He’s fucking rich and he probably has been all of his life. He’s not a director, he’s a producer, he’s paid for movies that have grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars."
hehehe. that's entirely possible. that doesn't make him wrong though.
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Do you have a real interest in learning about the tecicalities of the subject or do you just want to feel like you're right/superior by quoting the propoganda you were raised with (to disprove all the arguments he's made).
I don't really want to be a dick so I don't really think there's any point in explaining the holes in each assertion you made (ie flawed premises or logic).
however I really feel the need to do it for this one
'He’s fucking rich.....He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars.'
INCOME TAX DOES NOT AFFECT HIM IN ANY MANNER
there is a reason why the rich tend to support income taxes.
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I'm just curious.
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"It it technically illegal. There is no law on the books allowing it, and the rules of the constitution serving as the framework saying "you need a law to exist to be taxed."
Do you know your constitution? Have you bothered to see what the 16th amendment is?
Again, where are you getting your facts? From this video?
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but to answer your question, I've been studying this subject for about 2 years. Most people can't be fucked to read anything (or be able to understand it) so they need it hand fed a video detailing the basic thesis. That's why I endorse this video, I don't really think there's another realistic way to overcome the masses ignorance on this subject.
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16th amendment lawsuit in Oklahoma, including interview.
in refereence to B)
the point is that they, being the goverenment, are paying the extortion by imposing taxes. specifically: by imposing the individual income tax.
i mean, you're right that taxes are useful and necessary to pay expenses. but if the federal reserve were abolished, income taxes could be used to pay off the US debt, instead of prolonging the inevitable.
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The debt would be paid off if the current administration wasn't so fisicaly inept and concerned with filling its own pockets.
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and i just remembered a Colbert Report episode that said that if everyone paid their income taxes, the debt would be gone, and we'd have a 100 billion surplus.
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