The government isn't allowed to pay for itself? It makes the money that you're spending, it allows for you to live the life that you live. They didn't suddenly 'decide' to do this out of the blue. The government’s expenses exceeding the income that it got from sales and land taxes, so instead of making those taxes unreasonably high, the added income tax.
It's not like you're not getting back on your money either. It's unreasonable to think that anything in life is free.
In return for giving a relatively small percentage of your income, you’re getting back. You're getting roads, the maintenance of roads. You're getting police protection. You're getting public education. You're getting an economic infrastructure that allows us all to function the way we do today. You're getting fire departments. They used to be private. Do you want the fire department to *not* prevent your house from burning down simply because you can't pay for it?
Income tax allows for all Americans to enjoy a relatively high standard of living. Even if you're living on the street, there are homeless shelters, run by the federal government, and run by non-profits. It doesn't matter what race or age or sex you are, you get these things, and everyone gets these things. The reason that you pay so much, is because even if your house never burns down, you're paying for the guy's house down the street that burns down.
These things aren't put together because they're made to put the poor person down, the were put in place to help distribute the wealth more effectively, and help to increase equality across the nation. It's being taken advantage of, sure, but that doesn't mean that the system is broken, that means that people are abusing the system. The idea of abolishing the Federal Reserve is absurd and childish. You can't simply decide to abolish something in democracy. That's because everyone else's opinion matters. And, people who go to school to study economics know a hell of a lot more about how the system works than you can simply get from reading a book. The people in power aren't in power because they're idiots, their in power because the know what they're doing, because the system that they've made over the last two centuries works. The people who aren't in power aren't in power because their ideas aren't as good. The System evolves and changes to meet the needs of new circumstances.
The United State's is back by gold anymore? Ok. Why did the United States stop backing its currency with gold. They stopped because gold is something that can be artificially fluctuated. If you had a large amount of gold, you'd release it into the market, and the American dollar would be worth substantially less. Or, you could hoard gold, and make the value of the dollar skyrocket substantially. The fact that outside influences could so easily sway the internal economic status of the United States is why we changed over, not because some rich guys wanted to rip the working Joe off.
Gold is worth roughly $572 an ounce right now. Gold was worth $20.67 in 1913. Gold was worth shit, therefore, the dollar was worth shit. And hence, something that happened in the 20s called the great depression. The federal government did what it needed to to keep itself going, and look, it’s worked. The federal government is still with us, so obviously, it worked.
Exactly what part of the constitution is saying that income tax is unconstitutional?
Is it the 14th amendment?
He’s a libertarian. Fuck, I’m a libertarian, but I’m not stupid. It’s his political agenda to try and subvert you. This is his propaganda for us to support his causes. That doesn’t mean that he’s right. The fact that you think this is true just goes to show that propaganda works.
Also, look at this. He’s fucking rich. He’s fucking rich and he probably has been all of his life. He’s not a director, he’s a producer, he’s paid for movies that have grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars.
It’s the same arguments that the rich Halliburton execs use when they’re lobbying. He’s just using a more liberal agenda.
"The government isn't allowed to pay for itself? It makes the money that you're spending," sure it is. the government is supposed to be a government of the people. it's entirely allowed to pay for itself through taxes. but the problem is that the goverenment isn't making the money anymore. the federal reserve private banks are, and they are loaning the money to the government with heavy interest. if the government made the money, there would be no interest to pay, and income taxes could be much lower, if not completely gone. also, because US money no longer has gold or silver backing, there is no limit as to how much money can be printed. if the government were printing money, and if money had gold and silver backing, there would be much less that the government needs to pay for, and the money could be better used.
"The people in power aren't in power because they're idiots, their in power because the know what they're doing, because the system that they've made over the last two centuries works. The people who aren't in power aren't in power because their ideas aren't as good." that's not entirely true. i mean, you're right that they're not in power because they are idiots, but you're wrong about the people not in power. the people who aren't in power aren't in power because their ideas aren't supported, which is only partly connected to the quality of their ideas (granted, it's a relatively large part). and just because the current system works, that doesn't mean it's best, or that it will continue working (especially considering it's on a downward trend with rising debt); it doesn't even mean that it's a good or useful system.
"You can't simply decide to abolish something in democracy. That's because everyone else's opinion matters." that's why he made the film (according to him): to educate the public so that they have the ability to change their opinion.
"The System evolves and changes to meet the needs of new circumstances." i believe abolishing the federal reserve would, in this instance, classify as a change to meet the needs of a new circumsance.
"They stopped because gold is something that can be artificially fluctuated. If you had a large amount of gold, you'd release it into the market, and the American dollar would be worth substantially less. Or, you could hoard gold, and make the value of the dollar skyrocket substantially." it's not that easy to change the value of the dollar when it's backed by gold. if one were to hoard tremendous ammounts of gold, it wouldn't cause the american dollar to be worth that much less, because the dollar backed by gold is a certificate saying "i have this much gold" actually having the gold simply means that you would either trade with gold directly, or you would trade your gold for certificates to trade with. the effects of hoarding or releasing gold into the market were the same as hoarding or releasing money into the market. the same effects of hoarding or releasing money into the market apply today (that is, until the federal reserve stops releasing it's US currency production levels as public information)
"Gold is worth roughly $572 an ounce right now. Gold was worth $20.67 in 1913." Gold largely rises in price because US currency is not backed by gold. the federal reserve banks actually put a cap on the rising price of gold (by selling gold at a steady price, to force the market at that price). they did it in order to keep at least some similarity between gold and US currency. however, this costs money too, which means more need for taxes.
"Gold was worth shit, therefore, the dollar was worth shit. And hence, something that happened in the 20s called the great depression." only a small part of the great depression was caused by gold prices.
"The fact that you think this is true just goes to show that propaganda works." propaganda, like most things, is a two-way street. the fact that you think income taxes are needed for government spending on public works also just goes to show that propaganda works.
"Exactly what part of the constitution is saying that income tax is unconstitutional?" i dunno. it's the part that adresses taxes, and the 16th amendment. the interview starts adressing this at time 22:30
"Also, look at this. He’s fucking rich. He’s fucking rich and he probably has been all of his life. He’s not a director, he’s a producer, he’s paid for movies that have grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars." hehehe. that's entirely possible. that doesn't make him wrong though.
A lot of the premises you are using to form your arguements are false. As your response progresses it also starts using logical fallacies to prove the point.
Do you have a real interest in learning about the tecicalities of the subject or do you just want to feel like you're right/superior by quoting the propoganda you were raised with (to disprove all the arguments he's made).
I don't really want to be a dick so I don't really think there's any point in explaining the holes in each assertion you made (ie flawed premises or logic).
however I really feel the need to do it for this one 'He’s fucking rich.....He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars.' INCOME TAX DOES NOT AFFECT HIM IN ANY MANNER there is a reason why the rich tend to support income taxes.
but wait. individual income tax is 35% for money made above 335,000 per year. unless he's protesting individual income tax by not paying - which would be appropriate - individual income tax affects him. or is there something else i'm missing?
He's probably not paying, because he's a big wieght libertarian, but yes, of course income tax legally applies to him. It applies to anyone who brings in an income above a certain level.
The government isn't allowed to pay for itself? It makes the money that you're spending, it allows for you to live the life that you live. They didn't suddenly 'decide' to do this out of the blue. The government’s expenses exceeding the income that it got from sales and land taxes, so instead of making those taxes unreasonably high, the added income tax.
It's not like you're not getting back on your money either. It's unreasonable to think that anything in life is free.
In return for giving a relatively small percentage of your income, you’re getting back. You're getting roads, the maintenance of roads. You're getting police protection. You're getting public education. You're getting an economic infrastructure that allows us all to function the way we do today. You're getting fire departments. They used to be private. Do you want the fire department to *not* prevent your house from burning down simply because you can't pay for it?
Income tax allows for all Americans to enjoy a relatively high standard of living. Even if you're living on the street, there are homeless shelters, run by the federal government, and run by non-profits. It doesn't matter what race or age or sex you are, you get these things, and everyone gets these things. The reason that you pay so much, is because even if your house never burns down, you're paying for the guy's house down the street that burns down.
These things aren't put together because they're made to put the poor person down, the were put in place to help distribute the wealth more effectively, and help to increase equality across the nation. It's being taken advantage of, sure, but that doesn't mean that the system is broken, that means that people are abusing the system. The idea of abolishing the Federal Reserve is absurd and childish. You can't simply decide to abolish something in democracy. That's because everyone else's opinion matters. And, people who go to school to study economics know a hell of a lot more about how the system works than you can simply get from reading a book. The people in power aren't in power because they're idiots, their in power because the know what they're doing, because the system that they've made over the last two centuries works. The people who aren't in power aren't in power because their ideas aren't as good. The System evolves and changes to meet the needs of new circumstances.
The United State's is back by gold anymore? Ok. Why did the United States stop backing its currency with gold. They stopped because gold is something that can be artificially fluctuated. If you had a large amount of gold, you'd release it into the market, and the American dollar would be worth substantially less. Or, you could hoard gold, and make the value of the dollar skyrocket substantially. The fact that outside influences could so easily sway the internal economic status of the United States is why we changed over, not because some rich guys wanted to rip the working Joe off.
Gold is worth roughly $572 an ounce right now. Gold was worth $20.67 in 1913. Gold was worth shit, therefore, the dollar was worth shit. And hence, something that happened in the 20s called the great depression. The federal government did what it needed to to keep itself going, and look, it’s worked. The federal government is still with us, so obviously, it worked.
Exactly what part of the constitution is saying that income tax is unconstitutional?
Is it the 14th amendment?
He’s a libertarian. Fuck, I’m a libertarian, but I’m not stupid. It’s his political agenda to try and subvert you. This is his propaganda for us to support his causes. That doesn’t mean that he’s right. The fact that you think this is true just goes to show that propaganda works.
Also, look at this. He’s fucking rich. He’s fucking rich and he probably has been all of his life. He’s not a director, he’s a producer, he’s paid for movies that have grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars.
It’s the same arguments that the rich Halliburton execs use when they’re lobbying. He’s just using a more liberal agenda.
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sure it is. the government is supposed to be a government of the people. it's entirely allowed to pay for itself through taxes.
but the problem is that the goverenment isn't making the money anymore. the federal reserve private banks are, and they are loaning the money to the government with heavy interest. if the government made the money, there would be no interest to pay, and income taxes could be much lower, if not completely gone.
also, because US money no longer has gold or silver backing, there is no limit as to how much money can be printed. if the government were printing money, and if money had gold and silver backing, there would be much less that the government needs to pay for, and the money could be better used.
"The people in power aren't in power because they're idiots, their in power because the know what they're doing, because the system that they've made over the last two centuries works. The people who aren't in power aren't in power because their ideas aren't as good."
that's not entirely true. i mean, you're right that they're not in power because they are idiots, but you're wrong about the people not in power. the people who aren't in power aren't in power because their ideas aren't supported, which is only partly connected to the quality of their ideas (granted, it's a relatively large part). and just because the current system works, that doesn't mean it's best, or that it will continue working (especially considering it's on a downward trend with rising debt); it doesn't even mean that it's a good or useful system.
"You can't simply decide to abolish something in democracy. That's because everyone else's opinion matters."
that's why he made the film (according to him): to educate the public so that they have the ability to change their opinion.
"The System evolves and changes to meet the needs of new circumstances."
i believe abolishing the federal reserve would, in this instance, classify as a change to meet the needs of a new circumsance.
"They stopped because gold is something that can be artificially fluctuated. If you had a large amount of gold, you'd release it into the market, and the American dollar would be worth substantially less. Or, you could hoard gold, and make the value of the dollar skyrocket substantially."
it's not that easy to change the value of the dollar when it's backed by gold. if one were to hoard tremendous ammounts of gold, it wouldn't cause the american dollar to be worth that much less, because the dollar backed by gold is a certificate saying "i have this much gold" actually having the gold simply means that you would either trade with gold directly, or you would trade your gold for certificates to trade with. the effects of hoarding or releasing gold into the market were the same as hoarding or releasing money into the market. the same effects of hoarding or releasing money into the market apply today (that is, until the federal reserve stops releasing it's US currency production levels as public information)
"Gold is worth roughly $572 an ounce right now. Gold was worth $20.67 in 1913."
Gold largely rises in price because US currency is not backed by gold. the federal reserve banks actually put a cap on the rising price of gold (by selling gold at a steady price, to force the market at that price). they did it in order to keep at least some similarity between gold and US currency. however, this costs money too, which means more need for taxes.
"Gold was worth shit, therefore, the dollar was worth shit. And hence, something that happened in the 20s called the great depression."
only a small part of the great depression was caused by gold prices.
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propaganda, like most things, is a two-way street. the fact that you think income taxes are needed for government spending on public works also just goes to show that propaganda works.
"Exactly what part of the constitution is saying that income tax is unconstitutional?"
i dunno. it's the part that adresses taxes, and the 16th amendment.
the interview starts adressing this at time 22:30
"Also, look at this. He’s fucking rich. He’s fucking rich and he probably has been all of his life. He’s not a director, he’s a producer, he’s paid for movies that have grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars."
hehehe. that's entirely possible. that doesn't make him wrong though.
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Do you have a real interest in learning about the tecicalities of the subject or do you just want to feel like you're right/superior by quoting the propoganda you were raised with (to disprove all the arguments he's made).
I don't really want to be a dick so I don't really think there's any point in explaining the holes in each assertion you made (ie flawed premises or logic).
however I really feel the need to do it for this one
'He’s fucking rich.....He doesn’t want people to get taxed, because he doesn’t want the federal government stealing anymore of his precious dollars.'
INCOME TAX DOES NOT AFFECT HIM IN ANY MANNER
there is a reason why the rich tend to support income taxes.
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I'm just curious.
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