Children born of fairy stock (The Cruel Prince by Holly Black sync read post)

Aug 27, 2018 09:44

ikel89 and hopefully cyanshadow, and anyone else who wishes to join us, are embarking on a sync read of Holly Black's The Cruel Prince . Wicked fairies and larcenous teens (probably) and complicated family relationships (almost certainly) galore!

Come join, or if you've already read it, comment along as we progress through the book.

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through to the end hamsterwoman September 8 2018, 20:59:36 UTC
OK, whut ( ... )

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Re: through to the end ikel89 September 8 2018, 23:26:59 UTC
as many plot twists as possible because fickle fairies and also humans can lie", and then just had the characters make the least expected choices, regardless of whether those choices made any sense,ARBITRARYYYY. everything is very arbitrary and there for some aesthetic reason, like keeping prince evil cardamom on the throne bc we just can't him go offscreen for the sequels (or off the court and discovering Accessorize and Starbucks). So even while there were technically many plot twists, nothing really surprised me beyond realization that Dain's death didn't deprive her of geas; the events were strung together for some wobbly ~narrative aesthetic~ instead of actual narrative: twins for triangle and ~divergence~, dead mothers all over the place, blood-colored courtiers chopping off heads, reverse crowning for ensured dubcon etc etc ( ... )

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Re: through to the end ikel89 September 8 2018, 23:27:15 UTC

Why not kill Balekin? Are they keeping him in reserve in case Cardan refuses to crown Oak?
No reason to keep him alive,unless they are now suddenly allergic to regicide. But I predict it's for Balekin seducing his abused brother into helping him out in the sequels by bombastically saying he tried to save him once (in numbers: 1 time) with his own hot bod.

- Jude/Cardan continues to be unusually fucked up in ever new dimensions -- "I am horrified by my own impulse to bend my knee to him, my own desire to let him touch my head with a ringed hand."
They seriously need that trip to the human world, and access to literature & supplies on dubcon. Learn safewords, idk, join a local клуб по интересам etc.
(Sarcasm aside, I don't mind their power balance being fucked up. I do, however, dislike the instant woobiefication of Cardigan, even though he is more likable when weak. Spinning Silver did the depraved princes so much better, and the father-daughter thing too, and a number of other things *long sigh*)

Random quibble: How would faerie- ( ... )

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Re: through to the end hamsterwoman September 9 2018, 00:56:59 UTC
So even while there were technically many plot twists, nothing really surprised me

There were a number of "plot twists" that surprised me in a "...but that's dumb" sort of way (or else, "...but what's the point then?", in the case of Locke) -- I think probably because I was reading almost until the end while giving the book the greatest possible benefit of the doubt. The only one that genuinely surprised me and that I thought was worth it was Sophie the glamoured mortal girl killing herself, because that one actually had some thematic resonance. (Did you see that one coming, btw?)

Oh btw, I thought "whelp I didn't realize Valentin, who always wanted to murder you and has a track record for gratuitous violence, was capable of murder" as a particularly stupid way to woobiefy Prince Cardin.LOL! Yeah, although I was also surprised that Valerian was dumb enough to piss off a redcap / general who's got an in with the next king by going to this extent. I mean, not super surprised, because everyone acts dumb, but there's slights one can ( ... )

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continued hamsterwoman September 9 2018, 00:57:19 UTC
I do, however, dislike the instant woobiefication of Cardigan, even though he is more likable when weak.

I felt like a lot of the instant-ness was Jude's obliviousness / punktik about him early on, BUT I would have still appreciated some balance because Cardan is still not a great person, even if everyone else around him is even worse. I think this is one place where the POV is really limiting, because Jude is clearly unable to be objective about him in any way, and we don't see him through anyone else's eyes.

Spinning Silver did the depraved princes so much better, and the father-daughter thing too, and a number of other things

Oooh! I was really impressed by the depraved prince in Uprooted, so I'm definitely eager to see another take on that from Novik. And father-daughter things. And it seems like I should move on to some fantasy, because Murderbot 3 is not bringing me any particular joy, and I think that might mean I'm burnt out on sci-fi after Hugo homework.

but there is definitely no rhyme or reason to what sentences Jude ( ... )

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Re: continued ikel89 September 9 2018, 01:24:39 UTC
The only one that genuinely surprised me and that I thought was worth it was Sophie the glamoured mortal girl killing herself, because that one actually had some thematic resonance. (Did you see that one coming, btw?)
I actually didn't have time to ponder this one, I was too busy going wtf at her putting her SLEUTHING and STEALTHING ABOUT in jeopardy by just stopping mid-mission to save a character that didn't even have a name for 3/4 of the book. Not like it was stupider than the rest of things she does on impulse, but I honestly missed the part where I would be surprised or not by eyerolling at this plot tangent. In retrospect, some substitution and consent leitmotifs were sure echoed, but like. Does it even matter in the context of teh rest of the book.

who literally derives his powers from doing laundry with the blood of slain enemies to murder his beloved daughterMadoc's laundry list :DDD Also, did he really derive power from this dyejob or he did it for aesthetics as well ( ... )

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Re: continued hamsterwoman September 10 2018, 05:56:56 UTC
I was too busy going wtf at her putting her SLEUTHING and STEALTHING ABOUT in jeopardy by just stopping mid-mission to save a character that didn't even have a name for 3/4 of the book

That was definitely my initial reaction. And I do completely agree that it doesn't matter in the context of the book -- which I feel is kind of the book's problem and not that interlude's. But just as a twist, it was the only twist I actually liked, because I felt like it did jive with a theme the book was setting up in the beginning... and kind of lost track of around the 75% mark.

Also, did he really derive power from this dyejob or he did it for aesthetics as well?

In the beginning it said he needed the blood-laundry like mermaids need the salt spray -- so it sounds like he derives nourishment from it if not powers. But something more fundamental than aesthetics anyway.

Read the Silver and liveblog me everythiiiiing <3 <3 <3

I will for sure liveblog it when I do read it!

I kept thinking also that this book is sorely missing at least one ( ... )

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Re: continued ikel89 September 18 2018, 22:32:51 UTC
Now that my impressions of the fucking faeries have settled a bit, I acknowledge that the interlude with the rescue girl -- and in particular, her return as a drowned нечисть -- was both thematically significant and this kind of world-establishing detail of cruelty that HB pulls well. But it all fades into meaningless nothing at the backdrop of this dramalama narration and would have gone unnoticed for me had you not pointed it out several times.

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Re: continued hamsterwoman September 19 2018, 00:22:44 UTC
and in particular, her return as a drowned нечисть

Yeah, I think I forgot to remark on that, but thought it was a nice touch.

I do agree that it dissolves into the backdrop of questionable/pointless narrative choices, and I doubt I would've remembered about it either if I wasn't doing a liveblog of the book. As it was, when I reread the comments I'd been making, I recollected it with a bit of surprise.

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