Snowflake Challenge, days 13-15, and not-my-fanwork for day 12

[hamsterwoman]

Day 12: In your own space, create a fanwork. Make a podfic, an icon, a sketch, a meta, or a rec list. Arts and crafts. Cross stitch. Draft an essay about a particular medium. Put together a picspam or a fanmix. Write a review of book you love, a ship manifesto, a you-should-be-listening-to-this-band essay. Create something.I'm going to have to take

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[sysann]

Do we have to limit these to one fandom? Because just recently I'd need to say B5 for reasons you're aware of. But you know we share more than one fandom. Maybe if I come back once per day?
Also, if you wish to blame me for things like your alphabetically character poem, go right ahead. :D It's one of my favs among your work.

[hamsterwoman]

Absolutely no need to limit it to one fandom -- the more the merrier :) (Over on DW, I've already answered for LotR as well as Avatar: the Last Airbender, and Machineries of Emprire, though AFAIK you're only familiar with the first?)

It's one of my favs among your work.

I'm very fond of it, too :) And I think it's probably the fannish poem of mine that's drawn the most positive reviews on my flist, too :D

Answers for B5 coming up shortly. For purposes of spoilerness, which ep are you up to now?

[sysann]

Yes. I'll check the LOTR replies on DW, thanks. Oh and thanks for getting to B5. How about adding: In Other Lands, Firefly, Lewis, Buffy, Xena & Harry Potter? :) I know we share other fandoms, too. But I suspect you might have one or two other things to do with your time, too. *g* --- I completely overlooked that you mean to give Farscape a try. I hope you'll like it. It's been a while but I know I enjoyed it.

I'm done with S3. :) I've finished up the snowflake challenge in a cheaty way for now so I'll be posting my comments shortly. :) And then go back to mainlining for a while. (Yeah I do know what time it is here. But as I can't sleep...) ---

Let's start with B5

[hamsterwoman]

Favorite character

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[sysann]

I'll never understand what you like about Londo. But that's okay. :) I don't hate him quite as much as I did in the earlier seasons, but he'll never grow on me.
I can see Stephen/Marcus. But to be fair... you know my main ship. :P (I'm surprised you're even considering Ivanova/Franklin given that I cheer for five minutes every time they stand or sit next to each other. But it's not my fault there isn't really that much more to go on. Although there is "I like her. Scares the hell out of me sometimes. But I like her

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[hamsterwoman]

But that's okay. :)

That is OK, and I've pretty much accepted that, haha. What I like about Londo is, well, let me quote from a comment to another friend who's been watching the show, and is just a little ahead of you at this point, or maybe about even:

The thing I really like about Londo, I think, is just the completeness of his arc. Like, he starts out this fairly comic and often bumbling figure, getting drunk at parties and telling his stories about the glory of the Centauri Republic, and sniping pettily at G'Kar and complaining about everything. And then Morden, and you see this affable old buffoon suddenly having the power to have an entire planet destroyed -- and doing it, and coming to the realization of what that means, and commencing the steep, steep climb towards, well, towards whatever he can salvage at this point. I find it more impressive, even, than G'Kar's transformation from shouty thug who likes to have sex with human women to the warrior-philosopher/holy figure, because you get to see both the descent and the

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[sysann]

I can understand that you consider his character developmet interesting. But maybe we just define the word "favorite" rather differently. I have to like favs. If I dislike a character he cannot be a favorite for me. I have a certain tolerance for actions I dislike, but Londo is in a league of his own on how much I dislike what he's up to. And to be fair, I never really cared about any of what he was up to before he descended to war crimes. Like I've said... he whines for the good old days when they ambushed and exploited a formerly peaceful people and at the same time complains that they didn't just remain peaceful people they could continue to exploit. (Oh and I'm mid season four now. Sleep is overrated. I wished I hadn't wasted my time on Thirdspace. I have no idea why I did, but it supposedly belonged after Illusion of Truth

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[hamsterwoman]

But maybe we just define the word "favorite" rather differently.

We probably do define it differently. For me, it's the character who I most enjoy watching when he's onscreen/on the page. Sometimes it's somebody I admire as a person, but more often it's whoever is the most interesting to me -- and usually it's the flaws that make them interesting.

(I *do* like Londo, though -- not in the middle of his arc, when he's in bed with the devil, but I like him at the beginning (flawed as he is, and as little as I share his motivations), and I like that he does, actually, climb his way out of there, and when the chips are down is willing to sacrifice himself -- I mean, MOST people on this show are, many times over, but for him that's actual character growth. )

OK, well, you let me know if you ever change your mind and want to know about Na'Toth :) Although at the rate you're going, you probably won't need me to tell you anything before long.

I wished I hadn't wasted my time on Thirdspace. I have no idea why I did, but it supposedly

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[sysann]

Then we do. :) I cannot have a favorite I don't like, for me the very word implies that I like the character. Not in the sense that they have to be flawless or anything. Stephen isn't. Most characters aren't. But I need to understand (on some level) what they're doing.

*smiles* I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on him. :) That's fine though, we don't really agree on all characters in other shows either. And there's enough on B5 we both like.

So it is revealed in the show? --- In that case I'll probably find out in about a week, perhaps two, depending on where in canon it's revealed.

I've no idea about that! I've never watched any of the movies made later, because I've never heard anything particularly great about them. Let me know if you find any of them worthwhile, I guess? :PWell, I will if I ever actively like one. But with the two I've watched so far... I don't really see that happen. I mean I kinda have to watch movies that could have Susan&Stephen scenes. But I watched about an hour and a half for a scene that

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[hamsterwoman]

So it is revealed in the show?

If I remember correctly, yes :)

(But that's a) in Thirdspace and b) not what it sounds like.)

LOL!

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[sysann]

I wished that was a good thing. :/ I mean, I suppose it means she's alive, because randomly mentioning again that she died about two seasons ago would be weird. But I fear what might've happened to her, given how short a period of time it took them to torture G'Kar in horrible ways. I can but hope she wasn't important enough to them for public humiliations, at least. :/

LOL!
Well, he dreams about her death, so it's not that funny. But it sounds like he means something else at first and her expression at that is.

In Other Lands

[hamsterwoman]

Favorite character:
I like both Luke and Elliot a lot, but have to go with Elliot for this one. He is just so vivid.

Least Favorite character:
Dale. Both as a person (because he's a shallow bigot, and none-too bright) and because his role in the narrative is annoying and, IMO, a weak point of the book. Elliot sleeping with him was probably the one thing that made the least sense to me

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[sysann]

Hmmmm. We're in a quite surprising amount of agreement on these guys. I mean I'm not that keen on Elliot/Luke, but I'm not against them either. I just don't feel comfortable with the way Elliot's been treating Luke growing up and still worry a bit that he might slip back into that as they grow older together. But hey, I'll keep my fingers crossed for them. ---
I've been wondering about Elliot's parents, too. I mean it's not set in the 50s or something. They could've used protection if they had that little interest in having a child. But I guess maybe they thought they could make it work to begin with.

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[hamsterwoman]

Oh interesting! -- I was expecting more disagreement because I know you don't like the way Elliot treat Luke. (I mean, I also don't think it's the greatest. But Elliot does back off when Luke tells him he needs Elliot not to be mean to him, and I do think "loser" can work as a pet name as well as anything else, so long as both people realize that's what it is :P But I actually think that once Elliot finds what he's been looking for -- someone who chooses him -- he is likely to mellow a bit. Not in terms of his belief or even sharp words, but just, like, serious meanness.)

But I guess maybe they thought they could make it work to begin with.

Presumably... Or it could've been an accident (protection does fail), and they don't believe in abortion. Or they thought having kids would be great and then ran into untreated post-partum depression for Elliot's mom, which made leaving seem like the best thing to do... There are a lot of possible answers, but I do wish we knew more.

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[sysann]

You'll find that given time to stomach any given canon most of my views mellow at least somewhat. I mean not like I'll suddenly start to like Londo, or something. But y'know... Elliot isn't really a bad guy. He just happens to have a very sharp togue and be quite mean at times. But he did have a troublesome childhood and really didn't learn how to react to people in an appropriate way. It would be unrealistic if he could just shake that off completely in a year or two. And he tries to improve his behaviour somewhat.

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True. In a way it works though, that his mother doesn't feel like discussing her reasons. It seems in character.

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[hamsterwoman]

It does seem in character for his mother not to justify it, so I don't consider it a flaw of the book, necessarily. But I would've appreciated finding out some other way, maybe.