Comments | graeme_qewe: as I have nothing else to say, I write what I hate.

graeme_qewe

as I have nothing else to say, I write what I hate.

Feb 07, 2006 02:07

As I'm sure most of you know now, then little Denmark have become headline news. Like most others here, I don't want to write about it. I wanted to forget it, and wish it would go away.

But earlier today, I sat with myself, and decided I wanted to get case out, and tell the story as is it, from someone who witnessed it from front row, from day 1.

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marta_mb February 7 2006, 02:36:18 UTC

I am extremely interested with this case, and I think it's very representative of our hideous time. If you want my honest opinion, both sides involved, i.e. your democratic artists and muslims, deserve nothing but contempt. the whole thing is so far from what people should do, and from the ideals of Christianity. It's disgusting when they insult somebody's faith just to pretend it's out of democracy. There's nothing more undemocratic than what's referred to as 'democracy' these days. And it's disgusting when a crowd of stinky and crazy people attacks an embassy and throw stones and shout, etc. Or when a crazy fanatic kills a film director ( ... )

graeme_qewe February 9 2006, 01:40:59 UTC

The reason why so many people here doesn't stand up for Christianity, is because they aren't Christians. Simple as that.

I guess your opposition towards pornography means that you don't support free speech?

annfrank February 7 2006, 17:16:26 UTC

I wish "news"papers would just get on with the job of publishing news instead of trying to stir up trouble all the time.

I wish organised religions didn't exist because they have caused more death and suffering than happiness in the world.

I wish people would realise that other people have different opinions and that's okay. You don't have to like the same things as I do. If you do then great, but if you don't then that doesn't mean you're my enemy and I have to kill you.

I've used up all my 3 wishes now.

graeme_qewe February 9 2006, 01:32:53 UTC

I do like that newspapers etc. provoke big religions and authorities. That's an important and apreciateable task. But provoking muslims, because you don't like them, and only provoke muslims while praising christianity and the visions that the papers do like, is stupid.

Otherwise I like your wishes to come true!

gryphon3e February 7 2006, 18:26:01 UTC

1/ Blasphemy is only blasphemy if G_d says so ( ... )

marta_mb February 7 2006, 22:19:30 UTC

If you really have your own opinion which is different, well it's your right. But wouldn't it be better to re-read the gospels first and try to become acquainted with the church life before passing judgements about the church. If you don't do this, it's not your own opinion, which should be respected, but someone else's opinion, which cannot be regarded and respected as yours. I think that quite often our negative attitude towards Christianity and the church is the matter of our ignorance and brainwashing. The best brainwashing and propaganda are those which we aren't aware of. This means that our own way of life keeps us brainwashed. For example, I can go for a drunken party on Saturday instead of going to the church. Next day I won't be able to be at the mass either. So it's the way of life that keeps me away from the church, and not any specific opinions.

Well, I am sorry for upsetting you. I'd hate to end up preaching here!

gryphon3e February 8 2006, 03:08:03 UTC

I am catholic...I know believe and oft times agree with the 'C' church's teachings.

And equally oft times disagreed.

I have read the good book a few times myself...:-) preach at me at will

I ahve read the Torah...and the Khoran, the book of mormon and the teachings of many religions.

I don't express an opinion without having one of my own...elswise I am a parrot.

Not in a fit state to argue/discuss stuff as my pops just passed away

Talk to you laters.

graeme_qewe February 9 2006, 01:42:50 UTC

Does that mean, that only if a person has read the Gospels, and follows that, then the person have an independent opinion. And if a person has never read the gospels, then (no matter what) this person doesn't have an independent opinion?

I really hope that's not what you meant...

Thread 13

A NZ Muslim's thoughts fireghost February 8 2006, 05:55:41 UTC

I liked this email published in the latest post of the professional blog:

"I was part of the Muslim protest march in Auckland today. it was a strange experience. I hadn't expected it to be so, well not aggressive, but loud. The emotion was like a physical thing, palpitating in the air. I felt, on the one hand, an exhiliration from being part of a group of people prepared to speak (or shout) out about what we believed in, it was a powerful statement of self-identity and pride in who we are - something that we feel so little of in these times.

"Yet at the same time, it was scary to be part of something so powerful. At no time was there any danger of it turning ugly - no-one had violence on their minds. but I could somehow understand how the mob in Cronulla [referring to race riots in Australia late last year] could turn to violence, and start beating anyone they came across. It's as if you lose your own mind, and the mob develops a collective mind of its own ( ... )

Re: A NZ Muslim's thoughts graeme_qewe February 9 2006, 01:44:29 UTC

I was going to say, that I didn't agree with the writer you quote. But now I'm a bit unsecure. Because I was going to reply to the last two lines you wrote. But now I'm not sure if those two lines are you quoting, or your own words, to comment what you qouted.

Re: A NZ Muslim's thoughts fireghost February 10 2006, 04:28:21 UTC

I liked how the email writer made no judgement, except to register his distaste for the cartoons by joining a protest march, and how he considered the psychology of the protest.

The last two lines are my opinion. While I don't like the consequences of the newspaper publishing the cartoons, nor its motives, I do like that the issue of cultural difference is up for debate. I think perhaps the greatest thing about freedom of speech is that it exposes issues that might otherwise be hidden to public scrutiny.

As regards Muslim anger, I'm not sure if they have any right to dictate terms to non-believers, which is to say that I think the Muslim ban on images should apply only to Muslims.

Re: A NZ Muslim's thoughts graeme_qewe February 13 2006, 00:44:40 UTC

I think saying that the cartoonists display their ignorance is wrong. At least, compared to anyone else in this story, they are the ones to behave least stupid. You do know, that many of them donated their pay for the drawing to aid muslim people after disaster (I don't remember if it was the tsunami or the pakistan earthquake). If you want to blame anyone on that front, blame the newspaper and the main editors.

And also, you do know, that it is not wrong to display Muhammed or pictures of him. It says in the Koran, that you can't display drawings of Allah, but none about Muhammed. And since then, many have made drawings of muhammed. But recently cultural waves and new laws hav changed it, so that in some countries it is disrespected and in other muslim countries it isn't. It's a later interpretation, but not stated in the Koran. Weird.

Re: A NZ Muslim's thoughts fireghost February 8 2006, 06:01:36 UTC

Oops, that should be Hard News. I don't know why the italic tags didn't work.