Heh, obvious is fine :) :) Hmm, thinking about how I hone him down in my mind:
1) I never forget he's on a long-distance wilderness march through his own life. He lives off the land and is oh so self-sufficient, but inside he's slowly starving to death.
2) He believes that everyone should be given at least one chance to prove themselves, one chance to save themselves.
3) Since he would do anything for his friends, he is always absolutely certain that they would do anything - especially the Right Thing - for him. And if they disappoint him with their failure to do so, he takes the duty to do that Right Thing on himself.
I just *adore* #1, because that really captures Fraser's whole outlook on life, love, friendship and everything. Now I want to write a story about that...not because I want him to starve to death emotionally, but that I think he would have, were it not for the Rays. ♥
I love them all, in fact, but #1 grabbed me. Great insights! Although now I'm thinking about it, I really should have asked for Diefenbaker. ;)
1) He was secretly sure that nerd culture would eventually rule the whole world - which is why the Fire Sale and his reliance on McClane that weekend shook him so deeply.
2) He's happy never to grow up, never to conform.
3) He's fascinated by abstractions and conceptions of reality: he lives in the real world by overlaying it with the patterns all that information swimming around in his head creates for him.
Wow, Matt was hard!! Haven't written him enough, I guess, compared to John.
The things I answered are what I have in mind, not what I think other people should or ought to :-).
Oh, that's a given - I thought, though, it was interesting to see what you deem most...determining about Obi-Wan, and to see where I would differ. Reminds of those wonderful old TPM days when we used to discuss characterisation on list - remember them? And how differently people would interpret the same (minute) canon.
I didn't ask you Qui because I figured that would be too easy for you :) (per Elayna above) - I'm sure you've thought through Qui time and time again. Let me see....
1) He is at peace with himself. It's the most attractive part of him, I think - he's a reflective but not a conflicted person, for all the disturbance he leaves in his wake.
2) The body is nothing, the spirit is all.
3) There's an element of pure mischief to him, and a true child's love of the wondrous.
[Edited to say:] Eeep eep eeep, I forgot one even more important: he might wait to make a decision, but once he does, it's instant on: he is utterly a
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Yes, I do remember - those were fun times. Really meaty conversation like that is so rare & valuable.
You are right - Qui-Gon would have been very easy for me -- though I would likely have gone & dug for difficult/less obvious things, or so I hope. These that you have here ring very true, especially 1 & 3. 2 I agree with, but with a corollary/side-note/something that while spirit is all, it *encompasses* body, it does not *deny* it -- he's not a manichean :-).
2 I agree with, but with a corollary/side-note/something that while spirit is all, it *encompasses* body, it does not *deny* it -- he's not a manichean :-).
I'm still tossing this one up in my mind, but in the end, I think he would discard his body without a second thought. Though perhaps I'm channelling Yoda more here :) :)
Re Obi-Wan, I think the reason why I don't follow you on your first one: 1. Would actually like a nice, conventional (for certain not-exactly-standard definitions of conventional) and unexciting life. He knows he is not going to get one, even when living out in the middle of nowhere, ass-end of the universe, Tatooine. is that I think he has a streak of the wildly idealistic and romantic hiding in him - which never leads to a nice conventional life :)
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1) I never forget he's on a long-distance wilderness march through his own life. He lives off the land and is oh so self-sufficient, but inside he's slowly starving to death.
2) He believes that everyone should be given at least one chance to prove themselves, one chance to save themselves.
3) Since he would do anything for his friends, he is always absolutely certain that they would do anything - especially the Right Thing - for him. And if they disappoint him with their failure to do so, he takes the duty to do that Right Thing on himself.
There - serious enough for you? :)
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I love them all, in fact, but #1 grabbed me. Great insights! Although now I'm thinking about it, I really should have asked for Diefenbaker. ;)
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1) He was secretly sure that nerd culture would eventually rule the whole world - which is why the Fire Sale and his reliance on McClane that weekend shook him so deeply.
2) He's happy never to grow up, never to conform.
3) He's fascinated by abstractions and conceptions of reality: he lives in the real world by overlaying it with the patterns all that information swimming around in his head creates for him.
Wow, Matt was hard!! Haven't written him enough, I guess, compared to John.
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So: Qui-Gon Jinn.
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Oh, that's a given - I thought, though, it was interesting to see what you deem most...determining about Obi-Wan, and to see where I would differ. Reminds of those wonderful old TPM days when we used to discuss characterisation on list - remember them? And how differently people would interpret the same (minute) canon.
I didn't ask you Qui because I figured that would be too easy for you :) (per Elayna above) - I'm sure you've thought through Qui time and time again. Let me see....
1) He is at peace with himself. It's the most attractive part of him, I think - he's a reflective but not a conflicted person, for all the disturbance he leaves in his wake.
2) The body is nothing, the spirit is all.
3) There's an element of pure mischief to him, and a true child's love of the wondrous.
[Edited to say:] Eeep eep eeep, I forgot one even more important: he might wait to make a decision, but once he does, it's instant on: he is utterly a ( ... )
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You are right - Qui-Gon would have been very easy for me -- though I would likely have gone & dug for difficult/less obvious things, or so I hope. These that you have here ring very true, especially 1 & 3. 2 I agree with, but with a corollary/side-note/something that while spirit is all, it *encompasses* body, it does not *deny* it -- he's not a manichean :-).
And oh, 3a/4 -- yesyesyesyes.
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I'm still tossing this one up in my mind, but in the end, I think he would discard his body without a second thought. Though perhaps I'm channelling Yoda more here :) :)
Re Obi-Wan, I think the reason why I don't follow you on your first one:
1. Would actually like a nice, conventional (for certain not-exactly-standard definitions of conventional) and unexciting life. He knows he is not going to get one, even when living out in the middle of nowhere, ass-end of the universe, Tatooine.
is that I think he has a streak of the wildly idealistic and romantic hiding in him - which never leads to a nice conventional life :)
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