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insecret_ly January 27 2010, 00:53:18 UTC
Oh OUCH. This was so well written, but damn. And hey, you didn't make me hate John. Made me want to slap him silly, LOL, but I don't hate him. Great work!

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ginzai January 27 2010, 02:20:38 UTC
Yeah, this one hurt to write. But it kinda jumped out and demanded it, so... I love John, but I want to slap him silly in at least half the eps he appears in (as well as a number in which he doesn't) so I'm glad that sentiment came out here and you didn't wind up hating him! Thanks for the comment! :)

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ann_tara January 27 2010, 01:40:26 UTC
Oh, god ... you did the subject matter justice, and it's not like I haven't imagined that Dean may have been forced into just such a situation when he was young and so pretty and John was away. But, man, it slays me, just guts me. I could choke John, but I know he'd never force Dean to do something like that. And I do believe he'd kill whoever did take advantage of his son.

Still, it hurts. Good job, but it hurts!

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ginzai January 27 2010, 02:23:34 UTC
I think it's pretty unlikely that someone didn't try something like this. Whether or not it succeeded is a more tricky question.

And yes, John is NOT happy about this situation and will be doing his best to obtain vengence. Unfortunately it's the sort of thing where violence is easy to achieve but actual healing is not.

Thank you for commenting, btw. It's such a painful subject matter that I was really uncertain about posting it at all. It's making really want fluffy goodness now!

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medea34 January 27 2010, 02:54:06 UTC
very good story. made john wrong but still good.

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ginzai January 27 2010, 03:52:31 UTC
Thank you for the comment! If you get a chance, would you mind elaborating on how John was made wrong? I'm curious if you meant in terms of characterization or his actions. :)

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medea34 January 28 2010, 02:45:26 UTC
sorry for bad grammar. i meant that john made mistakes in the course of his actions. your characterization of john was spot on (in my opinion) as were your characterizations of dean, sam and bobby.

i really liked "For the first time, John looked at his son and realized that he could be dangerous. This wasn't a childish tantrum; it was adult fury - tempered and solid as steel." - particularly in light of sam's admissions at the end of sam interupted.

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ginzai January 28 2010, 15:23:41 UTC
Oh, gotcha, and thank you so much for writing back! John did make some terrible mistakes here, but I'm glad that the characterization for him and the others worked for you. John's take on Sam interests me a lot; we get hit quite often in the show about how Sam's a lot like him, but neither of them seemed to realize that for quite some time. And yeah, Sam's anger from Sam, Interrupted was definitely an influence in how I wrote that last scene.

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janissa11 January 27 2010, 02:59:46 UTC
Oh, fantastically well done. That's all John: bullheaded, stubborn as shit, and quick to think the worst -- and that bedrock-deep love for his boys, rearing up all after the fact. But it's there, and I love how you didn't stint in either direction. Bobby rings true as canon, and the boys -- oh the boys.

MAN. This is the real heartache of love, you know?

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ginzai January 27 2010, 03:56:37 UTC
Thank you! John is such a tricksy bastard. I love him and I know he loves his kids, but oh, he messes up so often and so hard. And yeah, thinking the worst and getting worked up and stubborn about it is exactly what caused him to act the way he did here, but once he clued into exactly what the situation really was... This one hurt and I feel sort of guilty leaving it here because they're all still so wounded and raw. But again, thanks for the comment. "Heartache of love" sums it up pretty much perfectly.

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traciaknows January 27 2010, 03:24:42 UTC
Wow. I'm speechless. You captured the true nature of the Winchester relationship- misunderstanding, miscommunication, fierce loyalty, and deep love. It saddens me that think about something like this happening- but I think you're right- it would have been unlikely if some type of issue like this didn't come up, given the fairly vagrant lifestyle they lead. Violence completed or not.

You went in a brave direction- but it paid off. As ever, your stories reach in and cut me to the core with how good they are.

(not to take away from the above- but now that this is out of your system, can I please have my Dean/Cas unexpectedly taking on a cliff overlooking the ocean? First time Dean's seen the Atlantic maybe? I know it's demanding and rude- but you love me and I need a pick me up- life sucks at the mo- big time...)

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Spotting The Ocean ginzai January 27 2010, 03:51:38 UTC
More Castiel and Dean gentastic friendship than romance on account of how I suck at writing them together, and it's the Gulf not the Atlantic since it's canon that Dean was in Maryland when he was eleven, but I hope it helps?So it turned out that the Gulf was nothing like the Atlantic. Dean had seen the Atlantic before, slate grey and moody up in Maryland, cold and stony in Maine. The Gulf was warm and sweet and welcoming, bright sea green waters and lush, hot sand that got everywhere and stuck to everything ( ... )

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Re: Spotting The Ocean arliss January 28 2010, 21:45:11 UTC
This is lovely, but Dean had been in NOLA working on a case just previous to the pilot--that's canon, too.

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Re: Spotting The Ocean ginzai January 28 2010, 22:00:27 UTC
Thanks. :) And you're right about him being in New Orleans and I'm actually wicked curious about that case. I'd love to see a fanfic that explored it; it seems like there's a lot of potential for intrigue there.

But you're right, I used the wrong terminology here. I was thinking less of the Mississipi gulf region and more the Florida Keys side of the house, or perhaps more like Mexico and the Caribbean Sea. I love New Orleans, but the feel of the land there is much different to me than when I go to Florida. I should have been more specific!

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