OMG! I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't quite think that scene where Dean drops his pants was epic. I too cringed at it and in fact have written that it wasn't my fav scene as it is to everyone else. I loved Dean's facial expressions throughout the episode, Jensen is like play dough with his various facial expressions xD But that scene just didn't do it for me =)
I thought it was a really good epi, there were some issues that I had with it, but it was mainly about Sam and Dean and how they keep so much bottled up. I mean sure it's canon to their character, but it does have to change otherwise Lucifer is going to win. One thing I would have liked to see about Sam, is more than just rage. He seems to exhibit depression and he even entertained the idea of offing himself before Lucifer can get to him. So I kind of wished they showed some of that, depression and fear along with the rage. But overall it was a really good epi, loved doped up Sam :D
"Anyone else get the impression that Dean's visions of the rotting corpse people to be somehow related to Hell?"
That's very good, I didn't think of that. I just thought he was seeing dead people because of all the deaths they've witnessed in their lives. But it could also have been because of his time in hell that he was seeing the patience like that. When the patient in the therapy group was talking about the monster and his 'we are dead'. I couldn't help but go, uh oh maybe they are all dead and Sam and Dean are hallucinating the whole thing. I was like waiting for the hospital to reveal what it really looks like, abandoned and run down. Like the end of 'It's A Terrible Life' kind of thing. LOL! Yeh my mind tends to run away like the =]
OMG! I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't quite think that scene where Dean drops his pants was epic. I too cringed at it and in fact have written that it wasn't my fav scene as it is to everyone else.
Ahahahaha - No. There was someone on TWOP that made a great point about that scene. It didn't fit in with the psychosis they were presenting (paranoid schizophrenics) and there was no purpose to it. Telling the nurse that they were down there to find monsters was exactly the perfect response since they were admitted because they kept going around trying to find monsters. It was an over the top, juvenile joke and I'm kind of sick of that twelve year old boy style of humor. I want to watch Supernatural on Thursday nights, not South Park.
The reason I liked it was because it felt like it was wiping the slate clean after the yawn-worthy nightmare that was Fallen Idols. All of the grief and frustration and distrust we'd seen from late S4-5x04 had been collapsed under Sam's "you're bossy and you've got to stop or I'll walk again" and Dean's "you're right, I'm sorry, and I'll quit bitching btw first seal yadayadayada" nonsense. FI made a mockery of those actually quite complex emotional response and byways so for us to kinda sorta be back on the same page we were in The End? Oh, I'll take it. I'll gladly pretend that FI never happened if it means we're going to get some actual development and real exploration, and I feel we're primed for that now. We'll see where Kripke actually manages to go with it, of course. ;)
Plus, doped up Sam was love.
As for the corpses, one of the things that's been intriguing me recently has been Dean's association with death. More than any other character on the show, Dean's been dancing with death since season one. He comes closest to death the most often (beyond just MotW cases where one or the other gets beat up, I mean stuff like Faith or IMToD where he's so close to death that he's got Reapers showing up to say howdy) has actually died the most often (Mystery Spot, NRFTW), has got some serious resurrection themes going on, both for himself and for others dying in his place. Tessa likes him, he had to dig himself out of his own grave, he's literally spent longer dead than alive - Dean and Death, they're mates.
So his seeing corpses could just be another reflection of that association, but with his generally freaked out mindset and the fact that there was an oblique reference to Hell (for the first time in months!) I wonder if this was more a tie in to Hell than death proper.
I love that theory! I hadn't considered it from that angle, but that would have been delightfully scary. Nice!
Yeh I actually would have preferred it if they both screamed 'monster monster behind you. Dean there it is kill it. Sam shut up I got it!' kind of thing lol i think that would have been really funny :D and more in tune with why they were really there.
Oh I get what you mean by Dean being Dean and Sam being Sam ;) I just wish that it wasn't like that. I really liked it when one talked and the other listened and made an effort to change things. I'm not a huge fan of the boys shutting each other out and burying their feelings and problems, even though it is canon to their characters. So it was Dean and Sam but I wish it wasn't, or that it changed a little bit, showed some progress. It just seemed that at the end of the episode they took three steps back, regarding communication and stuff.
Dean and Death are mates Heehee. Yeh it's funny cause where death follows Dean around, destruction and chaos follows Sam. Hmmmm, it'll be interesting to see how the horseman death and Dean are when they come face to face ;)
Yeh I think that would have been a mind f*** if it did turn out to be like that. In fact it would have been so disturbing that I think the writers would be like 'whoa did we just write that?!' LOL! JK ;D
I thought it was a really good epi, there were some issues that I had with it, but it was mainly about Sam and Dean and how they keep so much bottled up. I mean sure it's canon to their character, but it does have to change otherwise Lucifer is going to win. One thing I would have liked to see about Sam, is more than just rage. He seems to exhibit depression and he even entertained the idea of offing himself before Lucifer can get to him. So I kind of wished they showed some of that, depression and fear along with the rage. But overall it was a really good epi, loved doped up Sam :D
"Anyone else get the impression that Dean's visions of the rotting corpse people to be somehow related to Hell?"
That's very good, I didn't think of that. I just thought he was seeing dead people because of all the deaths they've witnessed in their lives. But it could also have been because of his time in hell that he was seeing the patience like that. When the patient in the therapy group was talking about the monster and his 'we are dead'. I couldn't help but go, uh oh maybe they are all dead and Sam and Dean are hallucinating the whole thing. I was like waiting for the hospital to reveal what it really looks like, abandoned and run down. Like the end of 'It's A Terrible Life' kind of thing. LOL! Yeh my mind tends to run away like the =]
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Ahahahaha - No. There was someone on TWOP that made a great point about that scene. It didn't fit in with the psychosis they were presenting (paranoid schizophrenics) and there was no purpose to it. Telling the nurse that they were down there to find monsters was exactly the perfect response since they were admitted because they kept going around trying to find monsters. It was an over the top, juvenile joke and I'm kind of sick of that twelve year old boy style of humor. I want to watch Supernatural on Thursday nights, not South Park.
The reason I liked it was because it felt like it was wiping the slate clean after the yawn-worthy nightmare that was Fallen Idols. All of the grief and frustration and distrust we'd seen from late S4-5x04 had been collapsed under Sam's "you're bossy and you've got to stop or I'll walk again" and Dean's "you're right, I'm sorry, and I'll quit bitching btw first seal yadayadayada" nonsense. FI made a mockery of those actually quite complex emotional response and byways so for us to kinda sorta be back on the same page we were in The End? Oh, I'll take it. I'll gladly pretend that FI never happened if it means we're going to get some actual development and real exploration, and I feel we're primed for that now. We'll see where Kripke actually manages to go with it, of course. ;)
Plus, doped up Sam was love.
As for the corpses, one of the things that's been intriguing me recently has been Dean's association with death. More than any other character on the show, Dean's been dancing with death since season one. He comes closest to death the most often (beyond just MotW cases where one or the other gets beat up, I mean stuff like Faith or IMToD where he's so close to death that he's got Reapers showing up to say howdy) has actually died the most often (Mystery Spot, NRFTW), has got some serious resurrection themes going on, both for himself and for others dying in his place. Tessa likes him, he had to dig himself out of his own grave, he's literally spent longer dead than alive - Dean and Death, they're mates.
So his seeing corpses could just be another reflection of that association, but with his generally freaked out mindset and the fact that there was an oblique reference to Hell (for the first time in months!) I wonder if this was more a tie in to Hell than death proper.
I love that theory! I hadn't considered it from that angle, but that would have been delightfully scary. Nice!
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Oh I get what you mean by Dean being Dean and Sam being Sam ;) I just wish that it wasn't like that. I really liked it when one talked and the other listened and made an effort to change things. I'm not a huge fan of the boys shutting each other out and burying their feelings and problems, even though it is canon to their characters. So it was Dean and Sam but I wish it wasn't, or that it changed a little bit, showed some progress. It just seemed that at the end of the episode they took three steps back, regarding communication and stuff.
Dean and Death are mates Heehee. Yeh it's funny cause where death follows Dean around, destruction and chaos follows Sam. Hmmmm, it'll be interesting to see how the horseman death and Dean are when they come face to face ;)
Yeh I think that would have been a mind f*** if it did turn out to be like that. In fact it would have been so disturbing that I think the writers would be like 'whoa did we just write that?!' LOL! JK ;D
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