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Hi everyone,
THis is from newpeakdictionary.com and its me talking about abortion. Everything in quotes is not me.
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"Let me start off by saying thank you george. I knew I could depend on you to give me some lively, if poorly thoughtout, debate"
Your welcome.. I guess.
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"So you mean that your ridiculous stance doesn't spring from your religious beliefs. If that's the case and you actually came to this decision after sitting down, going over the evidence, and taking time to consider it... I'm not even going to finish this sentence because I don't want to personally attack you when I can just knock down your arguments with feathers."
Im appalled that you would call it ridiculous. No, im just kidding. I guess the best way to knock someones ideas down is to make sure everyone knows you have to be insane to believe them. There are many little trivial costs of abortion I dont believe you consider when talking about it. Psychiatric care is one of them.
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"Message Board Stats - as of 05-20-05, our message boards have:
Members: 10,641
Threads: 89,146
Posts: 631,943"
http://www.afterabortion.com/
Look at the members of this website. 10,641 people took the time to sign up. You dont think abortion has an adverse effect on society? This site is supposed to be nuetral and non religious so I dont think they are against abortions they just help people recover from them. Why does MS. Magazine think post abortion stress syndrome is made up by the religious right?
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"Post-abortion stress syndrome" - PASS or PAS - sounds scientific, but don't be fooled - it's a made-up term. Not recognized as an official syndrome or diagnosis by the American Psychiatric Association , the American Psychological Association, or any other mainstream authority, it is a bogus affliction invented by the religious right. Those who claim its existence define it loosely as a raft of emotional problems that they say women suffer after having an abortion - nightmares, feelings of guilt, even suicidal tendencies - and compare it to post-traumatic stress disorder."
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"It's anti-choice dirty-play at its worst."
http://www.msmagazine.com/aug01/pas.html
Is it really anti choice dirty play? I disagree. The choice is with the mother of course. No consideration is given for the child. Just because the child can not defend his or herself does not mean that they should be arbitrarily killed.
What can we agree on here about abortion? What is ok and what isnt? Is a baby thats legs are sticking out of his or her mothers body not a human intil he or she is totally out? Should a doctor be able to kill a child at that point?
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"Five years ago, five justices of the Supreme Court, including Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, ruled that the abortion right originally created in Roe v. Wade allows an abortionist to perform a partial-birth abortion any time he sees a 'health' benefit, even if the woman and her unborn baby are entirely healthy. (Stenberg v. Carhart, June 28, 2000). This ruling struck down the ban on partial-birth abortion enacted by Nebraska, and rendered unenforceable the similar bans that more than half the states had enacted.
Nevertheless, in 2003 Congress approved and President Bush signed a national law, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. When he signed the ban, the President called partial-birth abortion "a terrible form of violence [that] has been directed against children who are inches from birth." He spoke the literal truth.
The law faced immediate legal challenges in three different federal circuits, and it has not gone into effect."
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBAtoSupremeCourt.html
Is that what our country really wants? The 52% of people who agree that abortion is homocide this is what some of them were talking about. At least in this situation, the situation of partial birth abertion there is an overwhelming majority of people who dont like it. A baby can feel pain at this point. A lot of times they cry when they come out, and if they don't a pat of the butt from a doctor makes them. What I dont understand is why, and I might be stereotyping leberals too liberally, but why are a lot of liberals environmentalist animal lovers that want to preserve useless endangered species at cost to the government (taxpayers) but condone the brutal act of abortion like its ridiculous to have any other point of view.
Like a quiet minority doesnt matter as long as the no murderers get the death penalty and no animals get killed by poachers.
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"I don't even know what the rest of this quote is about. Are you trying to tell me that your mother isn't intelligent enough to make the decision on whether to get an abortion or not. So does that mean you think she made the wrong decision when she didn't abort a certain somebody. If she's as unintelligent as your statement and seeming sarcastic overtone (the chose of words) indicate than maybe she shouldn't have had kids. I think we can all agree that we've got more than enough idiots running around."
What I was saying about my mother is that she is a liberal. Now I can see where your coming from on the intelligence issue and yes I agree liberals arent intelligent enough to make many decisions. Ive always held the stance that people should be able to make decisions FOR THEMSELVES. Not for the lives of other people. Yes if your a parent your going to effect the lives of your children but your probably not going to kill them. WHy is that? There are way to many freakin consequences. When you remove the consequences at no harm to anybodies life thats ok. Thats what birth control is. When you remove the consequences at the cost of a life thats not ok.
Again I will say it is not your decision whether I die or live, or at least it shouldnt be. What makes you think you have the right to kill somebody just because they share your genetic code.
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"If over 50% of people think abortion is murder, and over 50% think it should be allowed that makes it what? Justifiable homocide? If so I'm fine with that. I said earlier I'd be willing to kill someone over 20% of my take home pay (approxamite child support payment in Pennsylvania). If they try at gun-point or In Eutero makes no difference to me. I still won't shed a tear for doing what I felt I had to do."
Oh, 20% of your take home pay. So you dont care about all the money the government takes from you. Are you of the stance that the government is so efficient and capable of taking care of the little guy that they deserve confinscating your pay more than 20%?
If this is about your net pay being taken away from you then maybe you should choose to use birth control. At least then you wont be killing anyone. If its about having extra people in the world then encourage birth control and discourage government help. Government help removes the incentive not to have children or use birth control. Just like if we subsidize gas and bring the prices down (instead of taxing the hell out of them) we would give people no incentives to use less gas or buy hybrids or find other means of transportation with very little gas usage. Killing babies is where I draw the line. I dont care if I know the child or not.
I did a report once in a Criminal Justice class I was taking. The teacher really didnt like it that much because he accused me of being rascist for merely raising the point that Abortion as a method of crime control was naturally descriminated based on race. I was reading my textbook when I saw an aside that ever since the courts legislated Roe v Wade crime has gone down. What I mean is since I believe about 1990 when all the children who were aborted would reach the age of being most criminally active crime rates started to drop. The report of course assumes that abortion is the cause but there are millions of other variable and societal patterns that could aslo be the cause. There are more African American people in prison than white people. There are more African American violent crimes per capita then white. Abortion targets minorities if it is used as a mithod of crime control. More poor people than rich people im assuming are in prison. So abortion as a suggested means of crime control is horrible. Not saying anyone is suggesting that here.
So lets see we have what some other abortion statistics are.
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"40 MILLION ABORTIONS SINCE 1973
4,000 each day"
Quote:
"The overwhelming majority of all abortions, (95%), are done as a means of birth control.
Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest;
1% because of fetal abnormalities;
3% due to the mother's health problems.
Source: Central Illinois Right To Life"
http://www.abortiontv.com/Misc/AbortionStatistics.htm#Age%20Group%20&%20Race
I thought the spanish inquisition was bad, look at abortion. These people didnt get the chance to live they only got to die. A better method of birth control is any method you dont have to take a life to use. Im not talking about the lives of individual sperm and eggs im talking about the life of a zygote or more. That is where the line should be drawn because if you dont draw it there youll just be pushing the limit until you have post birth decisions made by the type of people who think George Bush causes natural disasters. The only people who could nonchalantly have an abortion. Liberals.
THis is from newpeakdictionary.com and its me talking about abortion. Everything in quotes is not me.
Quote:
"Let me start off by saying thank you george. I knew I could depend on you to give me some lively, if poorly thoughtout, debate"
Your welcome.. I guess.
Quote:
"So you mean that your ridiculous stance doesn't spring from your religious beliefs. If that's the case and you actually came to this decision after sitting down, going over the evidence, and taking time to consider it... I'm not even going to finish this sentence because I don't want to personally attack you when I can just knock down your arguments with feathers."
Im appalled that you would call it ridiculous. No, im just kidding. I guess the best way to knock someones ideas down is to make sure everyone knows you have to be insane to believe them. There are many little trivial costs of abortion I dont believe you consider when talking about it. Psychiatric care is one of them.
Quote:
"Message Board Stats - as of 05-20-05, our message boards have:
Members: 10,641
Threads: 89,146
Posts: 631,943"
http://www.afterabortion.com/
Look at the members of this website. 10,641 people took the time to sign up. You dont think abortion has an adverse effect on society? This site is supposed to be nuetral and non religious so I dont think they are against abortions they just help people recover from them. Why does MS. Magazine think post abortion stress syndrome is made up by the religious right?
Quote:
"Post-abortion stress syndrome" - PASS or PAS - sounds scientific, but don't be fooled - it's a made-up term. Not recognized as an official syndrome or diagnosis by the American Psychiatric Association , the American Psychological Association, or any other mainstream authority, it is a bogus affliction invented by the religious right. Those who claim its existence define it loosely as a raft of emotional problems that they say women suffer after having an abortion - nightmares, feelings of guilt, even suicidal tendencies - and compare it to post-traumatic stress disorder."
Quote:
"It's anti-choice dirty-play at its worst."
http://www.msmagazine.com/aug01/pas.html
Is it really anti choice dirty play? I disagree. The choice is with the mother of course. No consideration is given for the child. Just because the child can not defend his or herself does not mean that they should be arbitrarily killed.
What can we agree on here about abortion? What is ok and what isnt? Is a baby thats legs are sticking out of his or her mothers body not a human intil he or she is totally out? Should a doctor be able to kill a child at that point?
Quote:
"Five years ago, five justices of the Supreme Court, including Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, ruled that the abortion right originally created in Roe v. Wade allows an abortionist to perform a partial-birth abortion any time he sees a 'health' benefit, even if the woman and her unborn baby are entirely healthy. (Stenberg v. Carhart, June 28, 2000). This ruling struck down the ban on partial-birth abortion enacted by Nebraska, and rendered unenforceable the similar bans that more than half the states had enacted.
Nevertheless, in 2003 Congress approved and President Bush signed a national law, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. When he signed the ban, the President called partial-birth abortion "a terrible form of violence [that] has been directed against children who are inches from birth." He spoke the literal truth.
The law faced immediate legal challenges in three different federal circuits, and it has not gone into effect."
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBAtoSupremeCourt.html
Is that what our country really wants? The 52% of people who agree that abortion is homocide this is what some of them were talking about. At least in this situation, the situation of partial birth abertion there is an overwhelming majority of people who dont like it. A baby can feel pain at this point. A lot of times they cry when they come out, and if they don't a pat of the butt from a doctor makes them. What I dont understand is why, and I might be stereotyping leberals too liberally, but why are a lot of liberals environmentalist animal lovers that want to preserve useless endangered species at cost to the government (taxpayers) but condone the brutal act of abortion like its ridiculous to have any other point of view.
Like a quiet minority doesnt matter as long as the no murderers get the death penalty and no animals get killed by poachers.
Quote:
"I don't even know what the rest of this quote is about. Are you trying to tell me that your mother isn't intelligent enough to make the decision on whether to get an abortion or not. So does that mean you think she made the wrong decision when she didn't abort a certain somebody. If she's as unintelligent as your statement and seeming sarcastic overtone (the chose of words) indicate than maybe she shouldn't have had kids. I think we can all agree that we've got more than enough idiots running around."
What I was saying about my mother is that she is a liberal. Now I can see where your coming from on the intelligence issue and yes I agree liberals arent intelligent enough to make many decisions. Ive always held the stance that people should be able to make decisions FOR THEMSELVES. Not for the lives of other people. Yes if your a parent your going to effect the lives of your children but your probably not going to kill them. WHy is that? There are way to many freakin consequences. When you remove the consequences at no harm to anybodies life thats ok. Thats what birth control is. When you remove the consequences at the cost of a life thats not ok.
Again I will say it is not your decision whether I die or live, or at least it shouldnt be. What makes you think you have the right to kill somebody just because they share your genetic code.
Quote:
"If over 50% of people think abortion is murder, and over 50% think it should be allowed that makes it what? Justifiable homocide? If so I'm fine with that. I said earlier I'd be willing to kill someone over 20% of my take home pay (approxamite child support payment in Pennsylvania). If they try at gun-point or In Eutero makes no difference to me. I still won't shed a tear for doing what I felt I had to do."
Oh, 20% of your take home pay. So you dont care about all the money the government takes from you. Are you of the stance that the government is so efficient and capable of taking care of the little guy that they deserve confinscating your pay more than 20%?
If this is about your net pay being taken away from you then maybe you should choose to use birth control. At least then you wont be killing anyone. If its about having extra people in the world then encourage birth control and discourage government help. Government help removes the incentive not to have children or use birth control. Just like if we subsidize gas and bring the prices down (instead of taxing the hell out of them) we would give people no incentives to use less gas or buy hybrids or find other means of transportation with very little gas usage. Killing babies is where I draw the line. I dont care if I know the child or not.
I did a report once in a Criminal Justice class I was taking. The teacher really didnt like it that much because he accused me of being rascist for merely raising the point that Abortion as a method of crime control was naturally descriminated based on race. I was reading my textbook when I saw an aside that ever since the courts legislated Roe v Wade crime has gone down. What I mean is since I believe about 1990 when all the children who were aborted would reach the age of being most criminally active crime rates started to drop. The report of course assumes that abortion is the cause but there are millions of other variable and societal patterns that could aslo be the cause. There are more African American people in prison than white people. There are more African American violent crimes per capita then white. Abortion targets minorities if it is used as a mithod of crime control. More poor people than rich people im assuming are in prison. So abortion as a suggested means of crime control is horrible. Not saying anyone is suggesting that here.
So lets see we have what some other abortion statistics are.
Quote:
"40 MILLION ABORTIONS SINCE 1973
4,000 each day"
Quote:
"The overwhelming majority of all abortions, (95%), are done as a means of birth control.
Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest;
1% because of fetal abnormalities;
3% due to the mother's health problems.
Source: Central Illinois Right To Life"
http://www.abortiontv.com/Misc/AbortionStatistics.htm#Age%20Group%20&%20Race
I thought the spanish inquisition was bad, look at abortion. These people didnt get the chance to live they only got to die. A better method of birth control is any method you dont have to take a life to use. Im not talking about the lives of individual sperm and eggs im talking about the life of a zygote or more. That is where the line should be drawn because if you dont draw it there youll just be pushing the limit until you have post birth decisions made by the type of people who think George Bush causes natural disasters. The only people who could nonchalantly have an abortion. Liberals.