I think a lot of the bitchyness has to do with the fact that the majority of VK (well, J-Rock in general, but especially VK) fans are teenagers, and we are not known for our level-headedness.
Yup, as much as I do like a lot of the teenagers in this fandom you're right, and I think things would get better if it became less of a teen-specific fandom. That would also keep people from giving up on the music altogether when they get older. As it is, this fandom is pretty inhospitable to adults, so of course they tend to want nothing to do with it because they don't feel like dealing with the hoards of immature teenagers. It's basically a big downward spiral.
Personally, I have no issue going, "yeah, I am kind of incredibly attracted to Pon," and then thinking the actual music is crap xD
Good, the more young women who feel that way, the better. I'm fucking sick of society trying to shame us into thinking that it's shallow to ever be sexually attracted to anyone in a purely physical way. Like, we're supposed to only be attracted to men we'd want to marry or something. That's such bullshit.
One of the things I absolutely adore about the Tokio Hotel fandom (at least the part of it on LJ) is that quite a bit of the people in it are over 18. Obviously they have their share of screaming teenyboppers, but there's been a lot of people who email MTV about calling them a band for people 13 and under to let them know that they're 26 and they listen to "Scream" every day. (Plus most people have a sense of humor about the band--there's an entire (fairly popular) community devoted to making fun of them.) If the J-Rock fandom were more like that, I'd enjoy it more, I think, instead of avoiding all my fandom communities like the plague xD
HA. I'd fuck Aki three ways from Christmas; doesn't mean I want to settle down and have his cute little Asian babies. And there's people (none that I can think of at the moment, but PEOPLE) whom I don't find particularly attractive but with whom I would gladly spend the rest of my life. FUCK DA HATERZ. I lost my train of thought, can you tell?
It seems like there are plenty of people who like making fun of j-rock, but most of them make such dumb jokes that it makes me want to stab my eyeballs out when I read them. NO, BADLY BUTCHERING 4CHAN MEMES AND USING THEM COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT DOES NOT COUNT AS FUNNY. Fucking hell.
And yeah, Toshiya would make an awesome friend-with-benefits, and I'd totally go out drinking with him and stuff, but I don't think he'd make very good boyfriend material. Let alone husband material. But it's not just that, we're not supposed to be attracted to famous people unless we admire them, too, otherwise it's shallow. Which is hilarious since I bet you that almost none of the guys who have thought Britney Spears or Madonna were hot in the past would admit to being big fans of their music. But that's totally acceptable because men are SUPPOSED to have libidos!
THIS ONE TIME I SHOWED A PICTURE OF BOU TO MY GUY FRIEND AND HE WAS LIKE OMG ID TOTALLY BANG HER AND I WAS LIKE ITS A TRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP LOLOLOLOLOLOL Yes. Yes it is. Welcome to the fandom. The next time you tell me a story about how your straight and incredibly butch male friend was attracted to ~omg another guy~ I will send Toshiya (the concubine!) to gnaw your eyes out with his crazy teeth. By the way, the community I mentioned was th_crack, if you want to look at it. Not sure how funny it'd be if you're not in the fandom, but some of the stuff in there is still amazing.
Anyone in that band, really. I can see Shinya and maybe Kaoru having steady relationships (maybe even Die if he EVER COMES OUT OF HIS FUCKING CLOSET), but, like you said, Toshiya is more of a drinking-slash-casual-sex buddy, and Kyo's got enough issues as it is =\ And fuck the whole respect thing--I don't respect the majority of J-Pop artists as artists, given the amount of playback and scriptedness and just general fakery that goes on; doesn't mean I wouldn't gladly do (m)any member(s) of NewS/KAT-TUN or Koda Kumi or whomever.
Eyes gnawed out by Toshiya teeth? That's a pretty srs threat. But it's worth it because JESUS CHRIST JROCK FANS WHO THINK THEY'RE FUNNY ARE SO FUCKING ANNOYING IT MAKES ME WANT TO PROJECTILE VOMIT.
Don't get me wrong, I think Toshiya would be pretty awesome to chill with (and I would totally hit it like an angry god) but definitely, settling down with him sounds like something that might work like... when he's all old and wrinkley and realizes he can't bang 500 chicks per day anymore or something. UNLESS HE TURNS OUT LIKE THE JAPANESE SEAN CONNERY AND IS HOT FOREVER. That would be scary... how would the world cope with such a force of sexiness existing indefinitely? I would totally marry Miyavi, though, and raise his adorable little quarter-korean-quarter-japanese-half-white babies. I am such a fangirl for him it's ridiculous <\3
But yeah, you don't have to be respectable to be hot. Keanu Reeves was pretty foxy when he was younger but LOLOLOLOL IS HE EVER A BAD ACTOR. Especially in romantic comedies. I always keep expecting him to go into his little poem, "O bodacious babes for whom we have traveled through time / Will you go to the prom with us? / We will have a most triumphant time!" every time he tries to get serious while talking to a woman in a movie.
skdfdks my new favorite simile I BET HE DOES. AND THEN HE IS JAMES BOND. I would marry Miyavi, too. Not sure that I'd have his babies because I don't ever want to have babies, but I'd adopt with him. He is pretty much the sweetest, hottest, most adorable and creative thing ever <3
Keanu Reeves was awesome in B&T and slightly less so in The Matrix, but, yeah. Really awful. But hot. It's a paradox :[
Toshiya as James Bond would be awesome. He'd be all "Do you expect me to talk? 'Cause this laser thing is dumb, you should've just gotten me drunk or something instead. I don't hold grudges, I'll totally still do shots with you, just untie me from this board." I bet he'd make all kinds of jokes about the Auric Stud thing too. Like "HEE HEE I BET DIE WOULD LOVE TO VISIT YOUR RANCH SOMETIME." "SHUT UP, STOP MAKING GAY JOKES ABOUT MY PRECIOUS FARM." "NEVER!"
I'd like to give birth to at least one kid. MAY AS WELL BE MIYAVI'S, RIGHT? don't tell my boyfriend I said that, he's already jealous enough
Dude I had the biggest crush on Ted as a little kid. He's so CUTE in that movie. The idea of Bill being attractive never even crossed my mind... I think maybe that's part of why I always liked brunettes better than blondes?
He'd just do the schmoozing-wit-da-laydees-oh-and-shaken-not-stirred bits, screw fighting. Like he's athletic enough for it anyway. Now I want Deg to do a cover of "Goldfinger" :[ GRAAAAAAAWRFLINGRAAAAAAR
I figure there's enough children in the world and this place is shitty enough as it is, I don't need to bring another one into it. Plus, sorry, but I like my genitals the way they are. You're not worth stitches in my vagina, kid. (Obviously not judging those who do want to have kids or anything.) HEY UM GENGAORU'S BOYFRIEND SHE WOULD HAVE MIYAVI'S KIDS :OOOOO WHATCHA GONNA DO, SIC A MOOSE ON ME?
He's the perfect mix of stupid and adorable. Plus I almost pee myself every single time I watch the "FAG!" scene (as my family and I have so lovingly termed it).
apparently Toshiya was a jock in school, so he might be able to fight, but I'd definitely see him being too laid-back and easy-going to actually want to. He'd be all COME ON GUYS, MAKE LOVE NOT WAR. NO HOMO, I JUST MEAN IN GENERAL, NOT WITH ME. And Die would be all "Not with you? Drat :C"
Yeah I understand why people would want to not have kids, but I kind of always have. Probably not more than just one, though. After that, if I wanted more kids, I'd probably want to adopt. OMG THAT MOOSE COMMENT IS TOTES RACIST AGAINST CANADIANS, I'M TELLING ON YOU
That scene would've been the perfect time to use NO HOMO if it had existed yet. I actually had forgotten about that part until I saw it like a couple months ago, and I was like "LOL SRSLY?" Oh, the politically incorrect 80s.
lololololol wut? No self-respecting jock goes to a school for graphic design. Imagining him in football gear makes me happy, though. MMMM TIGHT PANTS. Also, hand-holding and ass-slapping. This should be a fic.
It's not like there's anything wrong with it. It's just that--and call me selfish, but--I wouldn't want to sacrifice my body for a child when I could take care of one that's already suffering, you know? Not that I'd be much good with kids anyway xD TELLING WHO, THE MOUNTIES? OH GOD NOT MAPLE SYRUP. I don't think that made any sense whatsoever ._.
I think maybe he was in basketball or soccer or baseball or something? They don't do a lot of American football in Japan afaik... Still, I wonder if there are any ass-slapping sports in Japan... Also, now I'm having flashbacks of Soccer Practice, with Toshiya in place of Gay Pimp.
The body sacrifice thing is why I don't want to have more than one kid. It's harder to recover after the first. Hey man, the mounties are kind of scary, in a sort of braindead-dog-chasing-you-with-big-teeth kind of way... they're pretty stupid and violent, not cute and harmless and Dudley Dooright like everyone thinks
I liked the Ziggy Piggy part. But maybe that's just because I'm a fiend for ice cream.
I seem to remember soccer. But he'd be cute in a baseball uniform :3 He was in that one shoot. Well, jocks = football here, so that's what I was thinking of. I don't think any countries play American football except America.
The phrase "Mounties" actually makes me think of sex. Then again, I'm 16, what doesn't make me think of sex.
We have rugby at my school :3 It's awesome in the spring, you get to see all the arrogant jocks with their faces smashed in.
BLAME THE HORMONES nothing like a teenager to make you feel like an idiot :D
I don't think I can eat that much of anything in one sitting D: I'd split a ZP with someone, though. HOW ROMANTIC WOULD THAT BE, YOU COULD BE PIGGIES TOGETHER.
Yup, as much as I do like a lot of the teenagers in this fandom you're right, and I think things would get better if it became less of a teen-specific fandom. That would also keep people from giving up on the music altogether when they get older. As it is, this fandom is pretty inhospitable to adults, so of course they tend to want nothing to do with it because they don't feel like dealing with the hoards of immature teenagers. It's basically a big downward spiral.
Personally, I have no issue going, "yeah, I am kind of incredibly attracted to Pon," and then thinking the actual music is crap xD
Good, the more young women who feel that way, the better. I'm fucking sick of society trying to shame us into thinking that it's shallow to ever be sexually attracted to anyone in a purely physical way. Like, we're supposed to only be attracted to men we'd want to marry or something. That's such bullshit.
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HA. I'd fuck Aki three ways from Christmas; doesn't mean I want to settle down and have his cute little Asian babies.
And there's people (none that I can think of at the moment, but PEOPLE) whom I don't find particularly attractive but with whom I would gladly spend the rest of my life. FUCK DA HATERZ. I lost my train of thought, can you tell?
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And yeah, Toshiya would make an awesome friend-with-benefits, and I'd totally go out drinking with him and stuff, but I don't think he'd make very good boyfriend material. Let alone husband material. But it's not just that, we're not supposed to be attracted to famous people unless we admire them, too, otherwise it's shallow. Which is hilarious since I bet you that almost none of the guys who have thought Britney Spears or Madonna were hot in the past would admit to being big fans of their music. But that's totally acceptable because men are SUPPOSED to have libidos!
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Yes. Yes it is. Welcome to the fandom. The next time you tell me a story about how your straight and incredibly butch male friend was attracted to ~omg another guy~ I will send Toshiya (the concubine!) to gnaw your eyes out with his crazy teeth.
By the way, the community I mentioned was th_crack, if you want to look at it. Not sure how funny it'd be if you're not in the fandom, but some of the stuff in there is still amazing.
Anyone in that band, really. I can see Shinya and maybe Kaoru having steady relationships (maybe even Die if he EVER COMES OUT OF HIS FUCKING CLOSET), but, like you said, Toshiya is more of a drinking-slash-casual-sex buddy, and Kyo's got enough issues as it is =\
And fuck the whole respect thing--I don't respect the majority of J-Pop artists as artists, given the amount of playback and scriptedness and just general fakery that goes on; doesn't mean I wouldn't gladly do (m)any member(s) of NewS/KAT-TUN or Koda Kumi or whomever.
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Don't get me wrong, I think Toshiya would be pretty awesome to chill with (and I would totally hit it like an angry god) but definitely, settling down with him sounds like something that might work like... when he's all old and wrinkley and realizes he can't bang 500 chicks per day anymore or something. UNLESS HE TURNS OUT LIKE THE JAPANESE SEAN CONNERY AND IS HOT FOREVER. That would be scary... how would the world cope with such a force of sexiness existing indefinitely? I would totally marry Miyavi, though, and raise his adorable little quarter-korean-quarter-japanese-half-white babies. I am such a fangirl for him it's ridiculous <\3
But yeah, you don't have to be respectable to be hot. Keanu Reeves was pretty foxy when he was younger but LOLOLOLOL IS HE EVER A BAD ACTOR. Especially in romantic comedies. I always keep expecting him to go into his little poem, "O bodacious babes for whom we have traveled through time / Will you go to the prom with us? / We will have a most triumphant time!" every time he tries to get serious while talking to a woman in a movie.
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skdfdks my new favorite simile I BET HE DOES. AND THEN HE IS JAMES BOND.
I would marry Miyavi, too. Not sure that I'd have his babies because I don't ever want to have babies, but I'd adopt with him. He is pretty much the sweetest, hottest, most adorable and creative thing ever <3
Keanu Reeves was awesome in B&T and slightly less so in The Matrix, but, yeah. Really awful. But hot. It's a paradox :[
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I'd like to give birth to at least one kid. MAY AS WELL BE MIYAVI'S, RIGHT? don't tell my boyfriend I said that, he's already jealous enough
Dude I had the biggest crush on Ted as a little kid. He's so CUTE in that movie. The idea of Bill being attractive never even crossed my mind... I think maybe that's part of why I always liked brunettes better than blondes?
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Now I want Deg to do a cover of "Goldfinger" :[ GRAAAAAAAWRFLINGRAAAAAAR
I figure there's enough children in the world and this place is shitty enough as it is, I don't need to bring another one into it. Plus, sorry, but I like my genitals the way they are. You're not worth stitches in my vagina, kid. (Obviously not judging those who do want to have kids or anything.) HEY UM GENGAORU'S BOYFRIEND SHE WOULD HAVE MIYAVI'S KIDS :OOOOO WHATCHA GONNA DO, SIC A MOOSE ON ME?
He's the perfect mix of stupid and adorable. Plus I almost pee myself every single time I watch the "FAG!" scene (as my family and I have so lovingly termed it).
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Yeah I understand why people would want to not have kids, but I kind of always have. Probably not more than just one, though. After that, if I wanted more kids, I'd probably want to adopt.
OMG THAT MOOSE COMMENT IS TOTES RACIST AGAINST CANADIANS, I'M TELLING ON YOU
That scene would've been the perfect time to use NO HOMO if it had existed yet. I actually had forgotten about that part until I saw it like a couple months ago, and I was like "LOL SRSLY?" Oh, the politically incorrect 80s.
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It's not like there's anything wrong with it. It's just that--and call me selfish, but--I wouldn't want to sacrifice my body for a child when I could take care of one that's already suffering, you know? Not that I'd be much good with kids anyway xD
TELLING WHO, THE MOUNTIES? OH GOD NOT MAPLE SYRUP. I don't think that made any sense whatsoever ._.
Yeah, but Napolean bowling? Classic.
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The body sacrifice thing is why I don't want to have more than one kid. It's harder to recover after the first.
Hey man, the mounties are kind of scary, in a sort of braindead-dog-chasing-you-with-big-teeth kind of way... they're pretty stupid and violent, not cute and harmless and Dudley Dooright like everyone thinks
I liked the Ziggy Piggy part. But maybe that's just because I'm a fiend for ice cream.
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Well, jocks = football here, so that's what I was thinking of. I don't think any countries play American football except America.
The phrase "Mounties" actually makes me think of sex. Then again, I'm 16, what doesn't make me think of sex.
ZIGGY! PIGGY! ZIGGY! PIGGY! *SNORTSNORTSNORTSNORTSNORT*
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OMG YOU FILTHY PERVERT why didn't I think of that? I'm losing my edge in my old age
I wish I were a ziggy piggy. I don't have enough stomach capacity to eat that much ice cream in one sitting ;_;
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BLAME THE HORMONES nothing like a teenager to make you feel like an idiot :D
I don't think I can eat that much of anything in one sitting D: I'd split a ZP with someone, though. HOW ROMANTIC WOULD THAT BE, YOU COULD BE PIGGIES TOGETHER.
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