I mean, even her crush on Xander is telling to me. She gets a crush on the safest guy possible.
Interesting. I always saw it as more of a statement about Willow's self-esteem, rather than her sexuality. I don't know if other people do this, but I know when I was in middle/high school, I used to admire the popular guys from afar, but I knew they were out of my league, so I'd often end up crushing on the guys who were less cute, less popular - the attainable ones. Xander's probably the one guy she thought she actually had a chance with.
But then there's the feelings she doesn't externalize. The girls she notices or crushes on. And she knows that talking about that stuff would bring up all sorts of issues, so she keeps it to herself.I can kind of see her having a crush on Buffy, but she convinced herself that she just thought of Buffy as a really close friend, combined with admiration because Buffy's the Slayer and thus really cool. Totally no lesbian feelings there, no sir
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I can kind of see her having a crush on Buffy, but she convinced herself that she just thought of Buffy as a really close friend, combined with admiration because Buffy's the Slayer and thus really cool. Totally no lesbian feelings there, no sir. :)
Word.
(But which word?)
The thing is, I don't think there's much evidence of any internal issues - if they were planning to make Willow gay all along, I think they could've done more to drop hints
Yeah, but I don't think they were planning to 'make her gay all along'. It was a retcon; it's just a retcon that works really well, because pre-S4 Willow happened to have been written as someone who could be reinterpreted to be in the closet/in denial/unaware of her true feelings.
As far as I recall, we only ever really got one mention in dialogue of Willow having big issues about her gayness as such (as opposed to the "Do I love Tara or Oz?" question), in 'Primeval'; but one mention is better than none. :-)
WILLOW: Well, I haven't been Miss Available either. I--I kept secrets. I hid
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Yeah, but I don't think they were planning to 'make her gay all along'.
No, I don't think they were, either. At best, I'd say they were keeping it open as a possibility, since they've said they wanted to make somebody gay, and went with Willow after Seth Green left. But I think they probably laid more groundwork for Xander than for Willow, and so while it's easy to say, "Oh, Willow must've had feelings for girls, but she didn't say anything," when you look back at the early seasons, there's no actual evidence of those feelings.
I always saw it as more of a statement about Willow's self-esteem, rather than her sexuality.
Well, that too. I don't see them as mutually exclusive. :)
I can kind of see her having a crush on Buffy, but she convinced herself that she just thought of Buffy as a really close friend, combined with admiration because Buffy's the Slayer and thus really cool.
No, no. Cordy. She had a crush on Cordy.
The thing is, I don't think there's much evidence of any internal issues - if they were planning to make Willow gay all along, I think they could've done more to drop hints without it being evident to any other character that there was more to Willow than meets the eye.
Heh, well it is a retcon, so any explanation of Willow's sexuality is gonna be pure fanwank. I just don't see Willow being gay as being a contradictory retcon like some people do, and I can easily see how it could fit into canon events even though it obviously wasn't intended.
Heh, sorry to burst your bubble, but I just don't see it. Besides, we both know you're just sublimating, you with the Willow icons, and me with the Cordy icons... Crushing on the straight girl, hmmm?
I just don't see Willow being gay as being a contradictory retcon like some people do
No, I can see where people might find it sudden, but it's not really contradictory - especially since any contradictory evidence can just be called "denial." I just think there's a lot they could've done with it subtly if they had planned ahead.
Besides, we both know you're just sublimating, you with the Willow icons, and me with the Cordy icons... Crushing on the straight girl, hmmm?
How did you know about my crush?? I thought I kept it super-hidden!!! Now things are gonna be awkward and weird between us!!!
No, I can see where people might find it sudden, but it's not really contradictory - especially since any contradictory evidence can just be called "denial." I just think there's a lot they could've done with it subtly if they had planned ahead.
Interesting. I always saw it as more of a statement about Willow's self-esteem, rather than her sexuality. I don't know if other people do this, but I know when I was in middle/high school, I used to admire the popular guys from afar, but I knew they were out of my league, so I'd often end up crushing on the guys who were less cute, less popular - the attainable ones. Xander's probably the one guy she thought she actually had a chance with.
But then there's the feelings she doesn't externalize. The girls she notices or crushes on. And she knows that talking about that stuff would bring up all sorts of issues, so she keeps it to herself.I can kind of see her having a crush on Buffy, but she convinced herself that she just thought of Buffy as a really close friend, combined with admiration because Buffy's the Slayer and thus really cool. Totally no lesbian feelings there, no sir ( ... )
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Word.
(But which word?)
The thing is, I don't think there's much evidence of any internal issues - if they were planning to make Willow gay all along, I think they could've done more to drop hints
Yeah, but I don't think they were planning to 'make her gay all along'. It was a retcon; it's just a retcon that works really well, because pre-S4 Willow happened to have been written as someone who could be reinterpreted to be in the closet/in denial/unaware of her true feelings.
As far as I recall, we only ever really got one mention in dialogue of Willow having big issues about her gayness as such (as opposed to the "Do I love Tara or Oz?" question), in 'Primeval'; but one mention is better than none. :-)
WILLOW: Well, I haven't been Miss Available either. I--I kept secrets. I hid ( ... )
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No, I don't think they were, either. At best, I'd say they were keeping it open as a possibility, since they've said they wanted to make somebody gay, and went with Willow after Seth Green left. But I think they probably laid more groundwork for Xander than for Willow, and so while it's easy to say, "Oh, Willow must've had feelings for girls, but she didn't say anything," when you look back at the early seasons, there's no actual evidence of those feelings.
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Well, that too. I don't see them as mutually exclusive. :)
I can kind of see her having a crush on Buffy, but she convinced herself that she just thought of Buffy as a really close friend, combined with admiration because Buffy's the Slayer and thus really cool.
No, no. Cordy. She had a crush on Cordy.
The thing is, I don't think there's much evidence of any internal issues - if they were planning to make Willow gay all along, I think they could've done more to drop hints without it being evident to any other character that there was more to Willow than meets the eye.
Heh, well it is a retcon, so any explanation of Willow's sexuality is gonna be pure fanwank. I just don't see Willow being gay as being a contradictory retcon like some people do, and I can easily see how it could fit into canon events even though it obviously wasn't intended.
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Heh, sorry to burst your bubble, but I just don't see it. Besides, we both know you're just sublimating, you with the Willow icons, and me with the Cordy icons... Crushing on the straight girl, hmmm?
I just don't see Willow being gay as being a contradictory retcon like some people do
No, I can see where people might find it sudden, but it's not really contradictory - especially since any contradictory evidence can just be called "denial." I just think there's a lot they could've done with it subtly if they had planned ahead.
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How did you know about my crush?? I thought I kept it super-hidden!!! Now things are gonna be awkward and weird between us!!!
No, I can see where people might find it sudden, but it's not really contradictory - especially since any contradictory evidence can just be called "denial." I just think there's a lot they could've done with it subtly if they had planned ahead.
Agreed. :)
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You wrote dominatrix!Gabs RPF for me and Emmie, and this is going to make things weird? lol
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