Okay, to start with I am rendered speechless by your brilliance. Linkin Park, Itchy, Scratchy and Poochie (I'd forgotten Poochie!), an actual PHOTO OF YOU W/girl!snape identifier... Pretty and clever. You're definitely a Ravenclaw, IMO. And those are just corollaries to the wonder of your actual analysis. ♥
Oh, who am I kidding? JKR doesn't have an editor!
Lol! :D I'm hoping that the paperback edition of DH will have some seriously revised dialogue layouts.
Harry growing two feet in height over the summer..
I don't have the book handy to look it up, but I think he actually did that at the start of HBP! It was one of those throwaway 'tell, not show' JKR lines.
This is possibly the only time our opinions have seriously deviated. I felt that JKR had planned Snape's past before she wrote PS, but developed the character so differently that it would have made sense for her to rethink before she actually launched the Lily Love on her bewildered readers. The intervening mountains of fanfic don't help. Though I agree that she starts to show some passion in this chapter, it's never been very easy for me to envisage. Okay, you're English, so when I say that in the 1970s the Evanses and Snapeses would have hailed from rather divergent classes, you'll know what I mean. Ironic, given that Snape's the Slytherin, but I always imagine Lily and Petunia as coming from solidly middle-class stock and Snape as more interesting altogether dysfunctional. It seemed strange to see the two sets of children playing together. I dunno; that doesn't explain much, but I just feel a great dissonance here, and also feel that JKR squandered Snape as a character. The illogic of him loving Lily yet disliking the boy who'd inherited her eyes does not compute, though after DH, I was inspired to write a Snarry for the first time: luckily, the urge went away after a while.
Anyway, I thought Snape would turn out evil. He SHOULD have turned out evil. Throughout the books, he's a petty bully, the sort of teacher who would now be quietly suspended. /rant
Here's a hunch I have. Snape never once got laid. Because if he had, his obsession with Lily would no way have survived this long.
So we do agree on one point, though! :) And I must say that your take on this chapter will send me back to reread, and maybe modify my opinion a bit, though I still maintain Snape is a bastard.
♥ I am so sad that you're nearly at the end! :( But we had an agreement that you'd do this with the whole series, didn't we? :) *cheers up*
FWIW, I agree with you that Snape is a bastard. It's just that as a bastard myself, I can't help having a certain affinity with him. And... well, you've seen the picture. :D Honestly I think one of the reasons I like this chapter so much is all the backstory - I've always found the Marauder generation much more interesting than Harry's, so I'm biased in favour of this chapter.
He SHOULD have turned out evil. Throughout the books, he's a petty bully, the sort of teacher who would now be quietly suspended
Ah, but he's the Vader of the series, so he had to turn out "good". ;) No, seriously - I do find this element a bit dissatisfying. The implication seems to be that he is redeemed through his love for Lily, even though he is a really unpleasant person the rest of the time. (Again with the Star Wars comparisons, but Vader being all nice to Luke at the end doesn't really make up for the destruction of Alderaan, does it? But we're supposed to think it does... *eyebrows go up*)
Your point about the class division thing is a really interesting one, and something that hadn't occurred to me at all. Now you mention it, it is a bit incongruous - maybe it's supposed to imply that Lily was so speshul that she could see the good in anyone, even Snape. That's a bit vomit-inducing, though. :-/
But we had an agreement that you'd do this with the whole series, didn't we?
It would appear so. ;D I am going to take a little break as I have a ton of assignments coming up, but HBP uberwank is on the way. I haven't re-read it since it came out (it's the only HP book I haven't read more than once - I was that disgusted with R/T) so I'm quite looking forward to it.
Thanks, by the way. ♥ It's all good when we agree on stuff but it was especially interesting to see where we didn't. :)
but I think he actually did that at the start of HBP!
i remember something like that. i was a little sad because i'm strangely fond of short!harry. :D i don't know, him being a bit of a midget is sort of endearing.
but... at least he didn't develop curves in all the right places.
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Oh, who am I kidding? JKR doesn't have an editor!
Lol! :D I'm hoping that the paperback edition of DH will have some seriously revised dialogue layouts.
Harry growing two feet in height over the summer..
I don't have the book handy to look it up, but I think he actually did that at the start of HBP! It was one of those throwaway 'tell, not show' JKR lines.
This is possibly the only time our opinions have seriously deviated. I felt that JKR had planned Snape's past before she wrote PS, but developed the character so differently that it would have made sense for her to rethink before she actually launched the Lily Love on her bewildered readers. The intervening mountains of fanfic don't help. Though I agree that she starts to show some passion in this chapter, it's never been very easy for me to envisage. Okay, you're English, so when I say that in the 1970s the Evanses and Snapeses would have hailed from rather divergent classes, you'll know what I mean. Ironic, given that Snape's the Slytherin, but I always imagine Lily and Petunia as coming from solidly middle-class stock and Snape as more interesting altogether dysfunctional. It seemed strange to see the two sets of children playing together. I dunno; that doesn't explain much, but I just feel a great dissonance here, and also feel that JKR squandered Snape as a character. The illogic of him loving Lily yet disliking the boy who'd inherited her eyes does not compute, though after DH, I was inspired to write a Snarry for the first time: luckily, the urge went away after a while.
Anyway, I thought Snape would turn out evil. He SHOULD have turned out evil. Throughout the books, he's a petty bully, the sort of teacher who would now be quietly suspended. /rant
Here's a hunch I have. Snape never once got laid. Because if he had, his obsession with Lily would no way have survived this long.
So we do agree on one point, though! :) And I must say that your take on this chapter will send me back to reread, and maybe modify my opinion a bit, though I still maintain Snape is a bastard.
♥ I am so sad that you're nearly at the end! :( But we had an agreement that you'd do this with the whole series, didn't we? :) *cheers up*
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He SHOULD have turned out evil. Throughout the books, he's a petty bully, the sort of teacher who would now be quietly suspended
Ah, but he's the Vader of the series, so he had to turn out "good". ;) No, seriously - I do find this element a bit dissatisfying. The implication seems to be that he is redeemed through his love for Lily, even though he is a really unpleasant person the rest of the time. (Again with the Star Wars comparisons, but Vader being all nice to Luke at the end doesn't really make up for the destruction of Alderaan, does it? But we're supposed to think it does... *eyebrows go up*)
Your point about the class division thing is a really interesting one, and something that hadn't occurred to me at all. Now you mention it, it is a bit incongruous - maybe it's supposed to imply that Lily was so speshul that she could see the good in anyone, even Snape. That's a bit vomit-inducing, though. :-/
But we had an agreement that you'd do this with the whole series, didn't we?
It would appear so. ;D I am going to take a little break as I have a ton of assignments coming up, but HBP uberwank is on the way. I haven't re-read it since it came out (it's the only HP book I haven't read more than once - I was that disgusted with R/T) so I'm quite looking forward to it.
Thanks, by the way. ♥ It's all good when we agree on stuff but it was especially interesting to see where we didn't. :)
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The epilogue is either going to be epic wank or else a total let down... it might have gay in it though. :P
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i remember something like that. i was a little sad because i'm strangely fond of short!harry. :D i don't know, him being a bit of a midget is sort of endearing.
but... at least he didn't develop curves in all the right places.
ps: i second the HBP uberwank exceitement! :D
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Lol! :D That's another one you have to draw, when you've finished Voldie in a tiara. ♥
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