Original Male Earworm - FFA Post #192

Mar 04, 2013 14:13

Meme song, meme songs, whatchu gonna do when they come for you? This message brought to you by 48 hours of Dido. Brought to you by a thread title. I too will go down with this ship.

On the plus side, Dido would be a great name for an Original Male Dog.

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Re: The Two Straight White Guys OTP thing...WHY? anonymous March 10 2013, 04:34:57 UTC
AYRT

Smaller fandoms probably have a much different dynamic but the last part I mentioned about the uber-pairing is still there. I'm certainly not saying that everyone falls into that mentality but again I'm thinking about trends and the aggregate and the exception is ignored (like there are people who ship POC but don't mean anything to the people who say "where are the POC" because we're talking trends here)

And I don't think small size particularly prevents those active in a fandom from having an "us or them" mentality. If anything the fighting for scraps might be more vicious?

About race, I don't think that class has nearly the effect that race has on association even if we looked objectively at the state of the world and accepted that class had real effects on real people. We're talking about *perceptions* of value and in that sense in the West race is more of an issue than class. And yes this may be a US centrist opinion so I welcome push back on it. But if you think about all of the AUs where class is played with I think it is evident that shippers in general do not feel like a character traveling from a canon class to an AU class has any affect on who that person is intrinsically as a character, while race bending is a very complicated issue and cannot be tested in quite the same way, so if you go back to the idea of the uber-pairing, popular pairings do not fit too much of a class mold that I can see. Maybe there's a trend towards upper class, but you can find a greater representation of class than race, which indicates to me that race feeling is stronger than class feeling in fandom generally.

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Re: The Two Straight White Guys OTP thing...WHY? anonymous March 10 2013, 04:44:45 UTC
My sense with small fandoms has always been that there's just not enough cohesion to fight for scraps. Fan X writes their fic, Fan Y writes their fic, they may or may not comment on each other's work. The main source of comments for Fan X is Fan X's friends from other fandoms and a few people who poked their heads in and decided to review.

Same for older fandoms. People still have pairings they HATE to pieces, of course. But there seems to be less willingness to die on that hill. The one time I saw someone trying to do that - whip people up into a shipping frenzy, get people really into her character interpretations - with my small on LJ, mostly dead fandom, it was pretty bizarre.

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Re: The Two Straight White Guys OTP thing...WHY? anonymous March 10 2013, 04:50:14 UTC
Hm, thanks for the observations. It is possible that smaller fandoms are simply too small to have an effect on greater trends then, or are disproportionately affected by what happens in the larger fandoms in terms of popular tropes and archtypes.

I'm also coming at this from the assumption that the average fan has multiple fandoms. I think the fan that stays dedicated to a single fandom and does not branch out in any meaningful way is an exception to the rule, and has a much weaker effect on fandom in general hitting that critical mass that is required for trends to become established in any meaningful way.

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