An anonymous comment from the dead?

[eppylover]

Just sayin'... LOL

"Things are left out, about what bastards we were.
You have to be a bastard to make it. That’s a fact.
And the Beatles were the biggest bastards on Earth."
~ John Lennon, 1969

Comments

[van]

Wow. I can understand a little criticism, but pretending to be a dead person is pretty fucking astounding and tasteless, ugh. Your reply was great though. What's funny is that I think the Beatles themselves would, largely, rather be treated like normal people and not living Gods. (Well, Paul might, but the others seem/seemed less fond of the mindless worship.)

Dr. Janov has intimated that one of Lennon's most agonizing burdens of remorse and self-reproach was his treatment of Brian.

Really? Wow! Where can I read more about that?

[eppylover]

I've been stuck on Stephy's laptop and sitting on my bed for the past month or so ~ well, since I bunged up my knee ~ and to find the exact reference by John himself I would have to do a long search of my pc's hard drive whenever I can get back over to it (Stephy and Bubbie have had control of it).

However, on short notice I did find what Janov himself said, on his own website: "I've rarely seen pain like John's, and I've seen a lot of pain," says Janov. "It was mostly about his mother but quite a bit about Brian (Epstein) that I can't talk about."
You can read the whole thing at http://www.primaltherapy.com/about-john-lennon-primal-therapy.php

[voodoochild9]

"I've rarely seen pain like John's, and I've seen a lot of pain," says Janov. "It was mostly about his mother but quite a bit about Brian (Epstein) that I can't talk about."
...REALLY? *eyebrow raise*

[eppylover]

Of course he cannot talk about it ~ it's physician-patient confidentiality. Also, revealing anything more would severely impact trust with his (and his wife's) existing and future patients ... his honor and his business mean so much more to him than any money he could rake in by blabbing it in some tawdry book.

Yes, there are people left in this world who still have honor.

This is how I read it:
It's well-known that Lennon insisted there was no actual sex with Brian, but he would keep getting close and then pulling away, cruelly teasing him and leading him on. After Brian died, he grew up and came to eventually realize how much the loyal Brian was tortured by him, and the weight of that knowledge was almost unbearable.

[absolutetwaddle]

One of those "fans" I see. .-.

I think/assume the boys never forgave Brian for dying and I agree with you that they blamed him and harboured feelings of abandonment towards him for years, still do perhaps. Logically they know he couldn't help it but you know them...they weren't fans of logic that often. Especially Mr. Lennon. :P

There's a lot of complex issues going down between the boys and Brian
and to me, there are no winners. Brian is gone. The band was never the same without him, that's a fact that can't really be disputed. And everyone is left missing something, someone, and feeling bitter. It's why I have never joined in on the Brian v. the Boys debate. To me it was always Brian and the Boys v. the world.

[eppylover]

You're right.
The world won.

[eppylover]

Hindsight is 20-20. :)

[eppylover]

Perhaps we can feel some kind of philosophical revenge in the fact that Brian was most likely the last person who Lennon abused to any extent. After Brian died, Lennon fell into the clutches of Yoko, who by all appearances seemed to have become the abuser from that point on. John had a mental breakdown and crawled into a little shell, coming out when Yoko permitted him to do so.

But of course we must keep reminding ourselves that all these things we are discussing, about these people we have never personally known or even met, are purely conjecture.

In any case, I have always said: the greater the genius, the greater the quirks.

[eppylover]

Wow

[eppylover]

It constantly amazes me what a diverse collection of people are in my Brian "club"...!