I did go into this with my mind well-made up: 'Compelling Jeremy was unacceptable. It is consistant with what I see as the uglier side of Elena's character, but unacceptable all the same.' Unlike most people, I don't Elena has gotten that much 'darker' per se, but that's another story.
That's still my opinion. I am nothing if not intransigent. But the way you brought together loads of individual strands - all of which, individually, I 100% agreed with and were brilliant and articulate beyond my dreams - to illustrate how complicated the issue actually is was really interesting. Lots of food for thought.
Oh that used and abused Nietzsche quote, it is one of my favourites. It is pertinent to so many things!
I did go into this with my mind well-made up: 'Compelling Jeremy was unacceptable. It is consistant with what I see as the uglier side of Elena's character, but unacceptable all the same.' Unlike most people, I don't Elena has gotten that much 'darker' per se, but that's another story.
That's still my opinion. I am nothing if not intransigent. But the way you brought together loads of individual strands - all of which, individually, I 100% agreed with and were brilliant and articulate beyond my dreams - to illustrate how complicated the issue actually is was really interesting. Lots of food for thought.
Oh that used and abused Nietzsche quote, it is one of my favourites. It is pertinent to so many things!
LOL, yes, the compulsion was so terrible. As in, there is no reason to even think otherwise, it was a violation and I can't wait for it to blow up in everyone's faces - as these things often do on this show.
And, as you say, it's utterly consistent with who Elena is, and honestly puts out all of her flaws (but also some of her qualities) out on display for anyone with eyeballs to see--that's if they hadn't picked up on some of them already. Yes, I tend to agree with you, I think the moment we're introduced to the character, who is in mourning and obviously carrying the huge weight of personal guilt regarding her parents' deaths, it's clear that she's 'dark' in a lot of ways.
Thanks. And there's nothing like wallowing in complicated things for me, so yay!
Whoops I posted it twice. I was attempt to make the 'flawless post is flawless post' flash. I used to know the code for that. Apparently I don't anymore!
Blowing up in Elena's face, more like. It feels a bit like repetition as far as plotlines go (THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS TO GO WITH THE GILBERTS NOW FT. ALARIC) except I am holding out hope that this time, the situation will be more complicated because there is this whole new Alaric/Jeremy fatherly bonding dynadmic.
(but also some of her qualities)
Ehhh... I was going for flaws... Obviously qualities are subjective, I know that. But equally, what qualities?!
Yeah, IDK. Elena is an enigma sometimes. For example she didn't seem to care at all about the way in which Elena was treating Andie yet she brazenly tells Klaus that he doesn't have to hurt anyone.
I did go into this with my mind well-made up: 'Compelling Jeremy was unacceptable. It is consistant with what I see as the uglier side of Elena's character, but unacceptable all the same.' Unlike most people, I don't Elena has gotten that much 'darker' per se, but that's another story.
That's still my opinion. I am nothing if not intransigent. But the way you brought together loads of individual strands - all of which, individually, I 100% agreed with and were brilliant and articulate beyond my dreams - to illustrate how complicated the issue actually is was really interesting. Lots of food for thought.
Oh that used and abused Nietzsche quote, it is one of my favourites. It is pertinent to so many things!
I did go into this with my mind well-made up: 'Compelling Jeremy was unacceptable. It is consistant with what I see as the uglier side of Elena's character, but unacceptable all the same.' Unlike most people, I don't Elena has gotten that much 'darker' per se, but that's another story.
That's still my opinion. I am nothing if not intransigent. But the way you brought together loads of individual strands - all of which, individually, I 100% agreed with and were brilliant and articulate beyond my dreams - to illustrate how complicated the issue actually is was really interesting. Lots of food for thought.
Oh that used and abused Nietzsche quote, it is one of my favourites. It is pertinent to so many things!
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LOL, yes, the compulsion was so terrible. As in, there is no reason to even think otherwise, it was a violation and I can't wait for it to blow up in everyone's faces - as these things often do on this show.
And, as you say, it's utterly consistent with who Elena is, and honestly puts out all of her flaws (but also some of her qualities) out on display for anyone with eyeballs to see--that's if they hadn't picked up on some of them already. Yes, I tend to agree with you, I think the moment we're introduced to the character, who is in mourning and obviously carrying the huge weight of personal guilt regarding her parents' deaths, it's clear that she's 'dark' in a lot of ways.
Thanks. And there's nothing like wallowing in complicated things for me, so yay!
Sometimes Nietzsche just speaks to my soul :D
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Blowing up in Elena's face, more like. It feels a bit like repetition as far as plotlines go (THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS TO GO WITH THE GILBERTS NOW FT. ALARIC) except I am holding out hope that this time, the situation will be more complicated because there is this whole new Alaric/Jeremy fatherly bonding dynadmic.
(but also some of her qualities)
Ehhh... I was going for flaws... Obviously qualities are subjective, I know that. But equally, what qualities?!
Yeah, IDK. Elena is an enigma sometimes. For example she didn't seem to care at all about the way in which Elena was treating Andie yet she brazenly tells Klaus that he doesn't have to hurt anyone.
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