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Aug 26, 2004 02:49

Today was Steves funeral, and he would have fucking hated it. I was going to have a hotel party and stuff for my birthday but i am not in the party mood, i dont think i will be for a while. I went to the funeral with kate but i was pretty much with chris the whole time, and chris i dont know if you still read my journal but i would like to thank ( Read more... )

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Re: i disagree notknowingwhere August 27 2004, 07:30:19 UTC
Oh my dear...whom/whoever you are.
Although i do believe that nowhere in my response did i say that i read the bible . I have be told by people of the church going type and i believe them. I trust my sources and will look it up and if i am wrong i will say so. Another thing, i have been told that the mormon bible and the regular King James Bible (or which ever bible you read) are written differently to allow for different interpretation. And no, you are right no one was pushed to the front. BUT, *raises finger into the air* elbows were taken and force was applied to imply that not going would result in damnation. or at least not going into heaven. And I am not sure if i interpret your tone correctly so i will not assume, but i did politly decline. that wasn't the problem. The problem was that they wouldn't leave well enough alone. It saddened me to think that someone with knowledge of what i did not told me that i would never see him unless i was saved. That is what bothered me.
And i promise i will read the bible today and find whether i was right or wrong and i will post an apology is i am the latter.
Love
Lisa

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Re: i disagree notknowingwhere August 27 2004, 13:29:48 UTC
Yes you are correct in that the cultish mormons follow a different tune. I was not trying to imply that they are the same i was just trying to say that the bible does not say all people go to heaven. There is biblical backup that says that if you are not saved you are doomed for eternal damnation. I am not preaching to you unless you want me to preach and if you do let me know it would not be my first time. I know that you went to mourn and celebrate a friends life, but you were fully aware of who was leading this service and where this service was taking place. It is ignorant to not expect talk of eternal life to take place. Your talk of different ways of interpreting the bible is very important. I challenge you to contact your friends providing you this information. Read into the scriptures in which they have interpreted to mean everyone goes to heaven, but do not close the good book prematurely. Very often someone will read a passage to suit their wants and needs without finding the true meaning of what is written. Not trying to be rude i do hope to find an apology post, not for my own glory and pride but for your advanced enlightenment and understanding.
a friend

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Re: i disagree notknowingwhere August 27 2004, 13:59:59 UTC
a friend,
I find your sarcastic tone totally unnecessary. I have never said nor implied that moromons are a cultish religion, i would have you know that one or two of my greatest friends are mormon. I have a respect for all religions in their own right but it is in my personality to question what is unknown to me. I never said that you said they were the same, but the bible i would follow, if i followed one, would be the King James Bible for my family is catholic. And they are written differently. I did as promised and read the book of revelations 20:11 -21. It does say that all shall go to heaven, so i am right, BUT it also says that all will be judged and not all make it through the actual gates of heaven so you are right as well.
And i quote *clears throat*
"Then i saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled form his presence, and there was no place for them. And i saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
NOw, my personal interpretation is one of semi-literal. I take it as it is written, to an extent. All go to heaven, but then Saint Peter (in my case) or whomever (god i suppose in your case) reads the book of your life and decides whether or not you are worthy to enter the gates of heaven and enjoy eternal bliss. No where in that particular passage does it say anything about being saved. Granted being saved would probably help you along the way and almost guarrantee your entry into heaven, but i do not believe it is the deciding factor.
*takes a deep breath* if you would like to continue this discussion in a calm and mature manner then i think we should stop taking up charlotte's journal and move to mine. But if you feel insulted or otherwise then i would be happy to drop the subject, for i nor you want to be converted or be told that one doesn't believe the other.
I do not wish to be rude, i respect your religion and those of others.
Lisa

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