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Today was Steves funeral, and he would have fucking hated it. I was going to have a hotel party and stuff for my birthday but i am not in the party mood, i dont think i will be for a while. I went to the funeral with kate but i was pretty much with chris the whole time, and chris i dont know if you still read my journal but i would like to thank
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1)steve did not like his congregation. He was religious but he wasn't the type to solicite and push people to believe what he believed. To tell the absolute truth in all the conversations i have had with him, in all the times i went to him for comfort, God never came into the conversation.
2) understood that his father is a minister. understood that over-reaction is what is happening. not understood when i got taken by the elbow and almost physically pushed onto the stage. and if you read the service was nice, i liked it, what i didn't like was when i returned from wherever i was i returned to a church mass. Not my friends funeral. A funeral is ment to remeber the dearly departed and remorse/rejoice in their moving on, not to preach and put your beliefs into others. I respect Steve's family very much, i like them a lot as well. BUt i think that it is inappropriate for what went on in that funeral. And since it was not my place to say anything i didn't. So this basterd is saying that the funeral did not SUCK as you so eliquantly put it, it was grand. Just that that one part was inappropriate and made myself and others feel very uncomfortable. I am not a religious person and i don't apprieciate religion being put upon me. I speak for myself and no one else. They all have their reasons.
I do see where you are coming from and i hope that you see where i am coming from as a balance.
"If you wish to see Steve again you must be saved"
If you read the bible everyone goes to heaven. And i did not appreciate being told that i will never see him again, in this life or the next. I feel no guilt for being who i am and i feel no guilt in saying that anybody who thinks i am not worthy of going up into "heaven" if you beileve in it, then they don't know me and they don't know the true reason for there even being a "heaven". Which is for the good people of this earth to live in eternal bliss and happiness. And i know that i am a good person. And Saint Peter himself (again if you believe in him) couldn't keep me from seeing that boy again.
NOW whose over-reacting?
love as always
Lisa
-end calm rant-
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DO you read the book of mormon bible?? I understand that you are not a religious person, however, you say that you read the Bible and that all people go to heaven. PLEASE show me where this is because i consider myself to be fairly knowledgable when it comes to the scriptures and i am certian that NOwhere does it say that all go to heaven. Also, no one was pushed up to the front. The opportunity was presented to be accepted or declined. Its easy to just say no, or no thank you if you have manners.
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Although i do believe that nowhere in my response did i say that i read the bible . I have be told by people of the church going type and i believe them. I trust my sources and will look it up and if i am wrong i will say so. Another thing, i have been told that the mormon bible and the regular King James Bible (or which ever bible you read) are written differently to allow for different interpretation. And no, you are right no one was pushed to the front. BUT, *raises finger into the air* elbows were taken and force was applied to imply that not going would result in damnation. or at least not going into heaven. And I am not sure if i interpret your tone correctly so i will not assume, but i did politly decline. that wasn't the problem. The problem was that they wouldn't leave well enough alone. It saddened me to think that someone with knowledge of what i did not told me that i would never see him unless i was saved. That is what bothered me.
And i promise i will read the bible today and find whether i was right or wrong and i will post an apology is i am the latter.
Love
Lisa
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I find your sarcastic tone totally unnecessary. I have never said nor implied that moromons are a cultish religion, i would have you know that one or two of my greatest friends are mormon. I have a respect for all religions in their own right but it is in my personality to question what is unknown to me. I never said that you said they were the same, but the bible i would follow, if i followed one, would be the King James Bible for my family is catholic. And they are written differently. I did as promised and read the book of revelations 20:11 -21. It does say that all shall go to heaven, so i am right, BUT it also says that all will be judged and not all make it through the actual gates of heaven so you are right as well.
And i quote *clears throat*
"Then i saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled form his presence, and there was no place for them. And i saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
NOw, my personal interpretation is one of semi-literal. I take it as it is written, to an extent. All go to heaven, but then Saint Peter (in my case) or whomever (god i suppose in your case) reads the book of your life and decides whether or not you are worthy to enter the gates of heaven and enjoy eternal bliss. No where in that particular passage does it say anything about being saved. Granted being saved would probably help you along the way and almost guarrantee your entry into heaven, but i do not believe it is the deciding factor.
*takes a deep breath* if you would like to continue this discussion in a calm and mature manner then i think we should stop taking up charlotte's journal and move to mine. But if you feel insulted or otherwise then i would be happy to drop the subject, for i nor you want to be converted or be told that one doesn't believe the other.
I do not wish to be rude, i respect your religion and those of others.
Lisa
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