[This started out as a long rant at fandom, but I cut it down to the bare bones. Feel free to skip.] Note: If you want a story where all the babiez are brutally KILLED and everything is about the Doctor’s man!pain, go watch The Runaway Bride. Imma gonna watch the episode with all the awesome wimmins in charge. (No disrespect to RTD or Donna. Love them both.)With that out of the way - welcome to the meta cafe! :) This is long and rambly, you have
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Liked this very much. Not least “And don't forget to flap like your life depends on it.” And the callback to the Doctor's outburst in The Beast Below further helped me to follow / make sense of Clara's outburst at the end of the episode.
I still don't understand how the apparent / possible Time-Head-ness fits in with Emma's remark in Hide that she's “a perfectly ordinary girl”. Conversation turns to Gallifreyan connections and I start wondering if we're linking Clara to the Eternals, Death or Time or Pain, but she's also a perfectly ordinary girl. There's the fob watch workaround, I suppose, with Tim in Human Nature getting some Doctorish abilities when he opened the watch. Except if something similar to that is what's happening to Clara it is, as you point out, not under her conscious control, and so not by a mechanism that we've seen before. And that “perfectly ordinary” remains a stumbling block...
Also, don't get me started on rewatching Hide and coming upon lines like “every lonely monster needs a companion” and
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Liked this very much. Not least “And don't forget to flap like your life depends on it.” It's brilliant. And shows the Doctor's perspective nicely - Clara is brilliant under pressure, of course she can do this!
And the callback to the Doctor's outburst in The Beast Below further helped me to follow / make sense of Clara's outburst at the end of the episode. The thing is that she is so controlled that when things finally spill over, it's like an avalanche. There was an awful lot tied up in that outburst.
I still don't understand how the apparent / possible Time-Head-ness fits in with Emma's remark in Hide that she's “a perfectly ordinary girl”. That's the thing! She is so ordinary, and they've explained so very carefully how she is perfectly ordinary... And yet she keeps doing all these impossible things, and all the imagery and symbolism is off the scale, so I suspect SHENANIGANS!
Conversation turns to Gallifreyan connections and I start wondering if we're linking Clara to the Eternals, Death or Time or Pain, but she's also a
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I still don't understand how the apparent / possible Time-Head-ness fits in with Emma's remark in Hide that she's “a perfectly ordinary girl”. Conversation turns to Gallifreyan connections and I start wondering if we're linking Clara to the Eternals, Death or Time or Pain, but she's also a perfectly ordinary girl.Back during The Snowmen, we had the ice woman frozen in the pond, who was a (dark) mirror for Clara, being the children's former nanny. She was, in fact, a survival scheme on the part of the Great Intelligence (who was a mirror for the Doctor in this episode): the perfect combination of ice and humanity, everything they needed to survive on earth. I've always taken this as foreshadowing about who Clara was
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then, ultimately, getting stuck in another dimension, put on pause
She is regularly depicted as frozen, doll-like, trapped in various ways.
Possible parallel between Gallifrey getting tucked away 'safe' until it could be revived and Clara? We've been talking for awhile about the re-emergence of Time Lords, which I always rather suspected to mean Clara and the arrival of a post-Time Lord race, not, you know, Gallifrey coming back. But what if they are, in some sense, the same thing?
Also, don't get me started on rewatching Hide and coming upon lines like “every lonely monster needs a companion” and reinterpreting them in a wider context... I prefer to read a much as possible into Hide, personally *g* It practically screams READ ME AS AN ALLEGORY.
I may be mis-reading, mind you. But I'm pretty sure you're meant to read into it. Like, a lot.
I still don't understand how the apparent / possible Time-Head-ness fits in with Emma's remark in Hide that she's “a perfectly ordinary girl”. Conversation turns to Gallifreyan connections and I start wondering if we're linking Clara to the Eternals, Death or Time or Pain, but she's also a perfectly ordinary girl. There's the fob watch workaround, I suppose, with Tim in Human Nature getting some Doctorish abilities when he opened the watch. Except if something similar to that is what's happening to Clara it is, as you point out, not under her conscious control, and so not by a mechanism that we've seen before. And that “perfectly ordinary” remains a stumbling block...
Also, don't get me started on rewatching Hide and coming upon lines like “every lonely monster needs a companion” and ( ... )
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It's brilliant. And shows the Doctor's perspective nicely - Clara is brilliant under pressure, of course she can do this!
And the callback to the Doctor's outburst in The Beast Below further helped me to follow / make sense of Clara's outburst at the end of the episode.
The thing is that she is so controlled that when things finally spill over, it's like an avalanche. There was an awful lot tied up in that outburst.
I still don't understand how the apparent / possible Time-Head-ness fits in with Emma's remark in Hide that she's “a perfectly ordinary girl”.
That's the thing! She is so ordinary, and they've explained so very carefully how she is perfectly ordinary... And yet she keeps doing all these impossible things, and all the imagery and symbolism is off the scale, so I suspect SHENANIGANS!
Conversation turns to Gallifreyan connections and I start wondering if we're linking Clara to the Eternals, Death or Time or Pain, but she's also a ( ... )
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She is regularly depicted as frozen, doll-like, trapped in various ways.
Possible parallel between Gallifrey getting tucked away 'safe' until it could be revived and Clara? We've been talking for awhile about the re-emergence of Time Lords, which I always rather suspected to mean Clara and the arrival of a post-Time Lord race, not, you know, Gallifrey coming back. But what if they are, in some sense, the same thing?
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I prefer to read a much as possible into Hide, personally *g* It practically screams READ ME AS AN ALLEGORY.
I may be mis-reading, mind you. But I'm pretty sure you're meant to read into it. Like, a lot.
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