I think... hmmmm. I have a lot of pieces and am not sure how they'd fit together. First there's my working theory that something like the Lodger-TARDIS is what blew up the TARDIS in Pandorica Opens, and that it was sitting inside Amy Pond's house. Which has too many stories--literally, two stories on the outside and three on the inside. So: perhaps the Silence are building themselves a TARDIS and they still need either a pilot or a TARDIS core to do it. And Clara ends up filling that role and gets scattered throughout time, like the cracks in time and space, by the force of the explosion? But the piece I can't get to fit with that is the fields of Trenzalore, the Doctor having to reveal his name to River, and how that ties into the rest of the plot. Plus assorted other loose ends like why the TARDIS blew up the night before Amy and Rory's wedding, why River was there in Big Bang before Amy remembered the Doctor back, etc.
I think the other big question in all of this is whether the Silence are trying to cause or prevent the TARDIS
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I think... hmmmm. I have a lot of pieces and am not sure how they'd fit together. Ahahahaha! You and me both! Did you see my previous post? *g*
First there's my working theory that something like the Lodger-TARDIS is what blew up the TARDIS in Pandorica Opens, and that it was sitting inside Amy Pond's house. Which has too many stories--literally, two stories on the outside and three on the inside. *headdesk* WHY do I keep forgetting about Amy's house? Dammit. Yes. If not disproven, then that's definitely where the proto-TARDIS went!
But the piece I can't get to fit with that is the fields of Trenzalore, the Doctor having to reveal his name to River, and how that ties into the rest of the plot. Plus assorted other loose ends like why the TARDIS blew up the night before Amy and Rory's wedding, why River was there in Big Bang before Amy remembered the Doctor back, etc. I think the other big question in all of this is whether the Silence are trying to cause or prevent the TARDIS explosion. But again, not sure how it fits.The Doctor
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Yup, I saw that, and that is about what my brain is doing too. *g*
Yes, "the Doctor revealing his name makes the universe blow up and the Silence are trying to prevent this" is pretty much what I was assuming, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Hadn't heard the theory that the s5 finale is a giant attack on River, but it makes sense.
What I'm not convinced of is the presence of Something Higher Up. Moffat really isn't into stories where the entire plot is down to the machinations of the Big Bad--he's more interested in processes gone awry and characters or quasi-intelligences who don't realize the harm they're doing. Could it be that the entire thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Silence are out to prevent the Doctor ever getting to Trenzalore to blow up the universe by speaking his name, but in so doing they drive him to Trenzalore and create the exact situation they're trying to avert.
Yup, I saw that, and that is about what my brain is doing too. *g* I can't see the forest for the trees... it's disorienting!
Yes, "the Doctor revealing his name makes the universe blow up and the Silence are trying to prevent this" is pretty much what I was assuming, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. I presume that there must be some sort of very specific circumstances that need fulfilling. I'm happy to wait and see.
Hadn't heard the theory that the s5 finale is a giant attack on River, but it makes sense. Mr I-want-to-blow-up-the-universe is very thorough...
Could it be that the entire thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Silence are out to prevent the Doctor ever getting to Trenzalore to blow up the universe by speaking his name, but in so doing they drive him to Trenzalore and create the exact situation they're trying to avert. Oh I'm sure that's very much part of it! :)
What I'm not convinced of is the presence of Something Higher Up. Moffat really isn't into stories where the entire plot is down to the
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(You know, I don't think she's that manic. When she's on her own, she [current!Clara] is so very apprehensive. So much of her manicness seems to be bravura.)
There are several examples I can think of from extra-TV sources that have TARDISes with chameleon circuits that are indistinguishable from people. The first is Lawrence Miles' Eighth Doctor story "Alien Bodies". There is a character in that who is a TARDIS, if I recall correctly. There is also Compassion from the EDAs, and there is the Fifth Doctor Big Finish audio "Omega" in which a TARDIS has a humaniod chameleon shell as well.
ETA: Oh, I just re-watched "The Lodger" the other day too! *hearts*
Wow. Every time we get a new arc, all you brilliant people come up with the best damn ideas ever. I think I'm getting used to having my mind boggled on a semi-regular basis.
I mentioned elsewhere that Hila's predicament reminded me of a Tiptree story, "The Man Who Walked Home:" the victim of a devastating experiment gone terribly wrong appears as an unexplained phenomenon over the course of many centuries.
And the Doctor searching for Hila at different points of time is a bit like Four tracking Scaroth in "City of Death."
Which in turn is like Clara, different facets of a TARDIS in the making, splintered and scattered throughout Time and Space?
I think I need to watch AotD and Snowmen again...
I tried to capture something about the TARDIS and Clara here:
Wow. Every time we get a new arc, all you brilliant people come up with the best damn ideas ever. I think I'm getting used to having my mind boggled on a semi-regular basis. Aw, thank you. I've had help (so many clever people out there, plus the other half of my brain who is always ready to bounce stuff around with me), although I mostly wrote all this down because I feel like I don't have a clue... (Make sense of that if you will. *g*)
I mentioned elsewhere that Hila's predicament reminded me of a Tiptree story, "The Man Who Walked Home:" the victim of a devastating experiment gone terribly wrong appears as an unexplained phenomenon over the course of many centuries. Oooooh, very nice. Thank you.
And the Doctor searching for Hila at different points of time is a bit like Four tracking Scaroth in "City of Death." At some point, I will watch all of Classic Who. Give it 10 years... /o\
Which in turn is like Clara, different facets of a TARDIS in the making, splintered and scattered throughout Time and Space?That is the theory that is
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- Uses the color blue as a disguise in the Victorian era - Was almost literally bigger on the inside as Dalek!Oswin; declared herself "definitely not little" as Victorian!Clara
The TARDIS dislikes current!Clara, and (like Clara) is slow to trust. The reasons for this specific antipathy I will not even try to speculate on (the TARDIS exists across time and space, what can she see?).
Even if Clara wasn't a danger to the Doctor (and I'm pretty certain she is), TARDISes don't do well inside TARDISes. In the fourth Doctor's last episode, he tried to materialize the TARDIS around a real police box to check the measurements, but ended up materializing around the Master's TARDIS disguised as a police box, which made everything boxes-in-boxes and surreal for a while. The TARDIS's safety protocols may well be programmed to avoid a TARDIS-in-TARDIS situation.
Wow, nice catch! And now I'm wondering; I thought her perception had gone funny in that sequence because she got tossed around and doused with freezing seawater, but maybe there was something more going on.
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Ahahahaha! You and me both! Did you see my previous post? *g*
First there's my working theory that something like the Lodger-TARDIS is what blew up the TARDIS in Pandorica Opens, and that it was sitting inside Amy Pond's house. Which has too many stories--literally, two stories on the outside and three on the inside.
*headdesk* WHY do I keep forgetting about Amy's house? Dammit. Yes. If not disproven, then that's definitely where the proto-TARDIS went!
But the piece I can't get to fit with that is the fields of Trenzalore, the Doctor having to reveal his name to River, and how that ties into the rest of the plot. Plus assorted other loose ends like why the TARDIS blew up the night before Amy and Rory's wedding, why River was there in Big Bang before Amy remembered the Doctor back, etc. I think the other big question in all of this is whether the Silence are trying to cause or prevent the TARDIS explosion. But again, not sure how it fits.The Doctor ( ... )
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Yes, "the Doctor revealing his name makes the universe blow up and the Silence are trying to prevent this" is pretty much what I was assuming, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Hadn't heard the theory that the s5 finale is a giant attack on River, but it makes sense.
What I'm not convinced of is the presence of Something Higher Up. Moffat really isn't into stories where the entire plot is down to the machinations of the Big Bad--he's more interested in processes gone awry and characters or quasi-intelligences who don't realize the harm they're doing. Could it be that the entire thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Silence are out to prevent the Doctor ever getting to Trenzalore to blow up the universe by speaking his name, but in so doing they drive him to Trenzalore and create the exact situation they're trying to avert.
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I can't see the forest for the trees... it's disorienting!
Yes, "the Doctor revealing his name makes the universe blow up and the Silence are trying to prevent this" is pretty much what I was assuming, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
I presume that there must be some sort of very specific circumstances that need fulfilling. I'm happy to wait and see.
Hadn't heard the theory that the s5 finale is a giant attack on River, but it makes sense.
Mr I-want-to-blow-up-the-universe is very thorough...
Could it be that the entire thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Silence are out to prevent the Doctor ever getting to Trenzalore to blow up the universe by speaking his name, but in so doing they drive him to Trenzalore and create the exact situation they're trying to avert.
Oh I'm sure that's very much part of it! :)
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(You know, I don't think she's that manic. When she's on her own, she [current!Clara] is so very apprehensive. So much of her manicness seems to be bravura.)
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Curious: is she broken enough for you yet?
ETA: that wasn't as snarky as it sounds. For once.
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And no. :)
(I miss Amy's very specific 'THIS is the line, we do not move until you've explained yourself'.)
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ETA: Oh, I just re-watched "The Lodger" the other day too! *hearts*
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But it's good to know that there are several precedents. :)
ETA: The Lodger is the Squishy of the Whoniverse. <3
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I mentioned elsewhere that Hila's predicament reminded me of a Tiptree story, "The Man Who Walked Home:" the victim of a devastating experiment gone terribly wrong appears as an unexplained phenomenon over the course of many centuries.
And the Doctor searching for Hila at different points of time is a bit like Four tracking Scaroth in "City of Death."
Which in turn is like Clara, different facets of a TARDIS in the making, splintered and scattered throughout Time and Space?
I think I need to watch AotD and Snowmen again...
I tried to capture something about the TARDIS and Clara here:
http://hawkmoth.livejournal.com/331707.html
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Aw, thank you. I've had help (so many clever people out there, plus the other half of my brain who is always ready to bounce stuff around with me), although I mostly wrote all this down because I feel like I don't have a clue... (Make sense of that if you will. *g*)
I mentioned elsewhere that Hila's predicament reminded me of a Tiptree story, "The Man Who Walked Home:" the victim of a devastating experiment gone terribly wrong appears as an unexplained phenomenon over the course of many centuries.
Oooooh, very nice. Thank you.
And the Doctor searching for Hila at different points of time is a bit like Four tracking Scaroth in "City of Death."
At some point, I will watch all of Classic Who. Give it 10 years... /o\
Which in turn is like Clara, different facets of a TARDIS in the making, splintered and scattered throughout Time and Space?That is the theory that is ( ... )
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- Uses the color blue as a disguise in the Victorian era
- Was almost literally bigger on the inside as Dalek!Oswin; declared herself "definitely not little" as Victorian!Clara
The TARDIS dislikes current!Clara, and (like Clara) is slow to trust. The reasons for this specific antipathy I will not even try to speculate on (the TARDIS exists across time and space, what can she see?).
Even if Clara wasn't a danger to the Doctor (and I'm pretty certain she is), TARDISes don't do well inside TARDISes. In the fourth Doctor's last episode, he tried to materialize the TARDIS around a real police box to check the measurements, but ended up materializing around the Master's TARDIS disguised as a police box, which made everything boxes-in-boxes and surreal for a while. The TARDIS's safety protocols may well be programmed to avoid a TARDIS-in-TARDIS situation.
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Ooooo, nice.
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