Twice Upon a Time
I realise it's been more than a month, and this is... Well, it is what it is. It was a lovely, lovely episode, but rounding up the end of an era is hard. So this isn't that, it's just a heap of scattered thoughts strung together. I will also post a take that is all poetry, but this one is probably better for talking about. :)
( Twice Upon A Time )
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1). On the subject of the 1st Doctor and the !controversy!
Well, personally, I wouldn’t mind if they omitted it, but it’s cool. So. But a few things:
Wrt One then he may just be speaking of humans more generally, it's unlikely that he'd ever think of Time Ladies in such terms (higher species and all that).
If one is offended, I agree that it is perfectly possible to read him not as sexist, but as “speciesist” let’s say. And yes, the Doctor totally used to be that. As in, I Am An Awesome Genius Time Lord, All Puny Humans Should Do As I Say, Allow Me To Gently Bully And Patronise You.
Or, The First Doctor is acting like someone with the Values Dissonance of the early 20th century because he's *with* someone of the early 20th century. The 1st Doctor assimilates, blends in accordingly. I basically read him as a teenager who is trying to be edgy and hip and fit in with the cool kids.
Although…
My thoughts are that the point of the attitude may have been a little more meta...Yes, my personal ( ... )
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Sidebar: The IMP of the Pandorica??I think I died. Like - THE IMP, TREMBLE ALL YOU PEOPLES! It's accurate though, Eleven is impish. <3
In which you almost made me die laughing. I just imagined a tiny, adorable Eleven jumping about while shouting that.
(Although, every time they pull the Oncoming Storm card, I am just begging for a “Ka Faraq Gatri”, a “Karshtakavaar”, come on.)
Please . . . just see me.
Oh for the love of God. How am I supposed to ignore this?
In case you’re interested, the aforementioned inspiration that ambushed me basically was Vision and Seeing in the Twelfth Era (in Short Fic Form). I connected EVERYTHING, it was quite satisfying.
By the title of Just See Me in my deviant gallery. Yeah, the originality is strong with this one, I know.
Now, I think he got it wrong. The message wasn’t that he could do *anything*, that he should save someone and to hell with the consequences.
Just save someone, because there is no such thing as unimportant. I think it was also a hint that he should ( ... )
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Moffat does away with the big drama, and just tells the story of a man (two men, no three men) scared of dying and change. Oh boy. The things I do for you, DW ( ... )
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--Because in the past, the Doctor has demonstrated that he’d really rather not to, but he *is* willing to give his life if he considers a secret important enough. And here, who knows who is asking and what they could do with the information, with any true answer he could give, if they are desperate and dangerous enough? The Time ( ... )
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So... have you watched The Good Place? (Don't go looking for spoilers, you MUST be unspoiled.) If you feel like a sitcom about philosophy. Set in heaven.
So in TDF-TUAT, we basically have one of those countless Doctors rebelling. It’s not worth it, hey, *I* did the best I could, fuck this; really, future Me(s), you ought to be grateful. It could be worse, Pyrrhic victory, how do you like not getting the secret/getting spectacularly blown up, bastards? This is good, this is enough, now end it.
I like this. I like it A LOT.
I will die, but I will not let the Doctor die; even though that would be easier.
Nice one. And then Thirteen. :)
And thus, in my opinion, 12’s last words have a *triple* meaning:
Niiiice.
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(bathes happily in all the praise)
So... have you watched The Good Place? (Don't go looking for spoilers, you MUST be unspoiled.) If you feel like a sitcom about philosophy. Set in heaven.
No, no I have not; I probably should. I should watch a lot of things. I’ll finish Community first.
Funny anecdote time:
Back in December, I made a conscious decision to start regularly watching stuff again. See, there was a problem (apart from me watching something, and then spending a week on TvTropes, imdb, reading reviews, watching reviews, Wikipedia, downloading the soundtrack, art, etc. Which unfortunately persists):
You know how people eat while watching stuff -and be careful, because obesity!- tv, Netflix, whatever? Well, I don’t eat while watching stuff. I watch stuff while I eat; that is the primary, important activity. Lunch, dinner, but I want to do something during that ( ... )
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Well, it's best done as a binge watch, so if you ever have a spare day and lots of goodies, curl up & treat yourself. It's not The Best Thing Ever OMG, but just a delightful thing. (Again, don't look it up.)
See, there was a problem (apart from me watching something, and then spending a week on TvTropes, imdb, reading reviews, watching reviews, Wikipedia, downloading the soundtrack, art, etc. Which unfortunately persists)
LOL
But I finally concluded that this is ridiculous, since a) I don’t exactly stuff the food into my eyes and ears, my lack of attention is illusory, and b) even though I do watch films at other times (for example, splatters are not exactly “movie-with-food” material), those times are simply not enough for all the things on my list. So there. It’s much better now.
Cool. Happy viewing.
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Aye. That's Twelve all over.
On that, I was puzzled by those who drew parallels between 10 and 12.
I think people drew parallels because Twelve handled it so much better. As you say, Ten just wanted to stay Ten, but Twelve just wants to *stop*. But the obvious mirroring between 'I don't want to go'/'I let you go' are too clear for even the average viewer to miss. Obviously their issues are different, but the act of resistance was similar.
I *will* mention however, that this is why I think 11’s is the best one and will probably remain so for a long time
100% agreed.
While Matt Smith has stated in two separate occasions in different conventions that he played it like a death scene, but a peaceful and content one like that of a very old manAnd that's what he was... He had been Eleven for more than a thousand years at that point, and he'd been facing his (final) death for a long, long time, and had made peace with it. He can let go, partly because More Life at this point is ( ... )
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Oh, average viewers… Such creatures really do exist, don’t they? For the longest time, I thought they were mythological beings, like unicorns!
No, but I mean, they did it back with TDF too. (shrug) I know.
Then TUAT of course, did confirm it: "...Capaldi himself said it? Like, what did you expect after all that happened in that finale? He's so obviously trying to die, you guys."
100% agreed.
(performs complicated high-five/secret handshake combination.)
And that's what he was... He had been Eleven for more than a thousand years at that point
And so it came to pass that in 2013, I founded the proud, personal tradition of wearing a bow tie every Christmas.
And we even get Clara to come & kick him into shape. (A lot of theorising in various places that one of the reasons he changes his mind is because he can now remember Clara continually telling him to just get on with it.) Aww. Oh yes, I did touch on that ( ... )
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As Moffat (I think) once put it, there are thousands of fans, but millions of viewers. However the fans are the loudest ones.
And so it came to pass that in 2013, I founded the proud, personal tradition of wearing a bow tie every Christmas.
*thumbs up*
I think it’s a combination of restored memories + meeting One and his friends again + yet more people to save + the Christmas Armistice, come on + getting to save someone + there can be other kindness.
That's a good list. And then Thirteen will hopefully (presumably) be about learning to love life again. Twelve managed to get over the final hurdle, but he still described it as treadmill.
For them to do this, for a man that has wanted nothing more than to stop, means so much. That they don’t use some big ridiculous threat the Doctor must agree to survive to protect the world from, to let it, at the end of it all, remain his choice whether he ( ... )
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At which point I HAVE to rec you Tiny Twelve (There is a Tiny Eleven also - a whole host of tiny Doctors in fact. Utterly delightful fic.)
By the title of Just See Me in my deviant gallery. Yeah, the originality is strong with this one, I know.
Duly noted.
I think it was also a hint that he should LISTEN to his companions because “there is no such thing as unimportant”.
Oh yes.
Busy man my ass. See, he totally has time to watch movies -he just prefers watching cooking shows and Disney.
True.
His browser history was an endless loop of the Frozen soundtrack/mental image of 12 singing outside the vault “MISSY, DO YOU WANT TO BUILD A SNOWMAN?”)
And she'd say 'Yes, the big SCARY ONE!'
I’ve always thought that poor Twelve was overly harsh with himself in Into The Dalek.He's at the very start of his journey of self-discovery, of course he's harsh. And he has to go through all that in order to get to the other side. * ( ... )
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Oh my God. Tableflipping Rassilon on a motorbike, yes. I hate you, why would you do this to me. This is gold. Squee!
(Well, there is an adorable 2-page fic where Eleven gets accidentally shrunk and has to hide in River’s hair. I can’t find it online right now, but since I download the fics I like, do say if you’re interested. Fortuna favet adparatis. )
Thank you! I knew the points tied together, but my brain broke, so I just sort of waved in that general direction and hoped people could put it together.
(winks)
One of the best repeated lines in the (new) show is 'I win'. It comes back and changes meaning and it generally wonderful.
“You can’t win.”
“I know! And?!”
(leads an imaginary audience in a Slow Clap Deluxe)
It absolutely is, and now you leave me no choice but to suggest that at some point, you may also want to duly note my fic “Schrodinger's Time Lords”, an introspective character study of the Doctor and the Master.
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I had the same reaction. And then had to read the whole thing as quickly as possible, a lot of it on my phone.
Well, there is an adorable 2-page fic where Eleven gets accidentally shrunk and has to hide in River’s hair. I can’t find it online right now, but since I download the fics I like, do say if you’re interested. Fortuna favet adparatis.
I may just have to read that...
It absolutely is, and now you leave me no choice but to suggest that at some point, you may also want to duly note my fic “Schrodinger's Time Lords”, an introspective character study of the Doctor and the Master.
SO MANY THINGS, SO LITTLE TIME! (*makes careful note*)
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