So. We've been discussing character death to exhaustion since CoE aired. Was it good, was it horrible, was it necessary, was it satisfactory, and so on
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I think someone above me mentioned some of the deaths in Buffy and I agree there.
The episode about Joyce's death......it was unbelievable. I was always one of those people who watched the show for fun rather than because they were a fan but still, that episode stands out in my memory as the most well done death I've seen on tv. No melodrama, no saving the world. Buffy just finds her dead when she comes home and that is it. There's no music, just words throughout the episode. And the acting was phenomenal. I didn't know the Buffy cast could act that well. Xander puts his hands through a wall and just seems stunned. Brilliant episode.
Also Buffy's death in s5. I wish they'd ended the series there, because it was so well done.
Ianto doesn't count because well, I'm still all WHYYYYY. But I do think the scene was unbelievably well done. I still can't re-watch it.
One more vote for Joyce's death. xD Dude, I rly have to watch that episode!
I think I would've appreciated Ianto's death more if RTD hadn't been such an ass about it afterwards. It was the way he talked about the fans and about how brilliant CoE was and how stupid everyone who hadn't liked it obviously was that tipped into finding every single flaw in the goddamn series, and I sort of can't unsee it. I don't have anything against the death scene, though. Just found it rather pointless. But I would've liked it mor if it had been the end of Torchwood. Day Five, I mean. Now they want to keep going and I have a feeling they'll just make all the impossible-to-bear-have-to-leave-the-planet pain of CoE become dull and meaningless.
You really should watch the Joyce episode, that was some really phenomenal tv right there. I actually sat and watched the repeat, it was that great. Despite commercials.
All the wankery on RTD's part has worsened the situation for me, I agree. He really didn't try to comprehend why people were upset. It wasn't just that Ianto was killed off, it was also that his death was purposeless. While the scene itself was well shot and beautifully acted and tasteful, the lead up just had me screaming DUMB every second. I just really want to grab RTD and inform him of the fact that he did not invent a masterpiece, Torchwood is not Battlestar Gallactica or Star Trek even, it's a mediocre scifi show with ridiculously well written characters and good actors. CoE is good but I still don't think it's great and the ends of episodes 4 and 5 did end up as rather retarded torture porn which just made me go.......what the fuck really loudly.
Exactly. He was very convinced that he'd written a piece of art to be remembered forever, and that's not really the case. Like you said, Torchwood has many problems. It fails miserably at many points, but its characters are made of pure win, and the situations they live, the whole sci-fi thing and all that jazz, it makes them unique. And incredibly well acted, too. Well... Most of them. BUT ANYWAY! It was really RTD's ridiculously huge diva-like ego what made me start to look for every single flaw on CoE, and there are countless. If he had been more realistic - and humble - about his work, then I probably wouldn't have minded it so much. I can't STAND divas. Can't.
Like you, I was wtf-ing very loudly throughout the episode. To me, it felt a little like there was something missing. And I'm not talking about an 'I love you too'.
I'm actually glad there was no 'I love you too' honestly. Apparently it was GDL's idea when they were doing the scene, the original script did have Jack saying it. But not having it was more in character and it fit in with the line the series has been taking with the pairing from the get go. I think Jack's through the teeth 'don't' was far more touching then an I love you too could ever have been. I loved Jack in that scene, John Barrowman really surprised me. I didn't think he was capable of acting so well
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The episode about Joyce's death......it was unbelievable. I was always one of those people who watched the show for fun rather than because they were a fan but still, that episode stands out in my memory as the most well done death I've seen on tv. No melodrama, no saving the world. Buffy just finds her dead when she comes home and that is it. There's no music, just words throughout the episode. And the acting was phenomenal. I didn't know the Buffy cast could act that well. Xander puts his hands through a wall and just seems stunned. Brilliant episode.
Also Buffy's death in s5. I wish they'd ended the series there, because it was so well done.
Ianto doesn't count because well, I'm still all WHYYYYY. But I do think the scene was unbelievably well done. I still can't re-watch it.
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I think I would've appreciated Ianto's death more if RTD hadn't been such an ass about it afterwards. It was the way he talked about the fans and about how brilliant CoE was and how stupid everyone who hadn't liked it obviously was that tipped into finding every single flaw in the goddamn series, and I sort of can't unsee it. I don't have anything against the death scene, though. Just found it rather pointless. But I would've liked it mor if it had been the end of Torchwood. Day Five, I mean. Now they want to keep going and I have a feeling they'll just make all the impossible-to-bear-have-to-leave-the-planet pain of CoE become dull and meaningless.
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You really should watch the Joyce episode, that was some really phenomenal tv right there. I actually sat and watched the repeat, it was that great. Despite commercials.
All the wankery on RTD's part has worsened the situation for me, I agree. He really didn't try to comprehend why people were upset. It wasn't just that Ianto was killed off, it was also that his death was purposeless. While the scene itself was well shot and beautifully acted and tasteful, the lead up just had me screaming DUMB every second. I just really want to grab RTD and inform him of the fact that he did not invent a masterpiece, Torchwood is not Battlestar Gallactica or Star Trek even, it's a mediocre scifi show with ridiculously well written characters and good actors. CoE is good but I still don't think it's great and the ends of episodes 4 and 5 did end up as rather retarded torture porn which just made me go.......what the fuck really loudly.
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Like you, I was wtf-ing very loudly throughout the episode. To me, it felt a little like there was something missing. And I'm not talking about an 'I love you too'.
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