005. To lead humanity

Dec 28, 2009 14:59

While I don't condone the violent actions objectors have taken towards the Watch, I also don't approve of this witch hunt. What happened to the openness the Watch claimed it would maintain? They aren't even off the ground and already they are trying to suppress negative opinions ( Read more... )

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sins_sacrosanct December 28 2009, 23:46:10 UTC
Yours is an interesting angle on this situation. I would not have characterized a completed murder and several attempts as negative opinions. Perhaps, though, my perspective needs correcting.

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earth_uninstall December 29 2009, 03:57:06 UTC
Why else would a person target members of the Watch? It's either a deliberate choice or a complete coincidence, and considering the people and timing, I'm inclined to believe the former.

-Aurora

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sins_sacrosanct December 29 2009, 04:37:23 UTC
I would incline to believe that any person who might stop this Watch, which is as I understand it a peacekeeping force, from being formed is someone who would be harmed by its forming--in other words, an inept criminal.

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earth_uninstall December 30 2009, 18:25:20 UTC
Without a judicial branch or elections by the people, the Watch is practically authoritarian. This doesn't bother you at all, that someone decided to set up a "police" force under their own authority? While he did address the public, it was only after a private meeting with a select number of hand chosen people, ones in positions of power.

-Aurora

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sins_sacrosanct December 30 2009, 19:47:44 UTC
Elections by the human majority, certain to be fair and kind, yes, and a body of laws written...by them? You think a group of people popularly chosen will automatically write just and non-authoritarian laws that will have any significance to the populace at large? Those who were inclined to observe a decent existence without pieces of paper written by the popular will continue to do so, those who would exploit the populace for their own ends will continue to do so. How do you plan to meaningfully legitimize this prospective piece of paper? How could you possibly enforce these laws, no matter how flawless their manner of creation, without resorting to some form of authoritarianism?

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earth_uninstall December 31 2009, 23:19:55 UTC
I would think the people here would be smart enough to choose someone based on their credibility than their personality. Otherwise, how else would a person be chosen? Without an impartial being, the majority vote is the best way to create a proper society that everyone can function in.

Checks and balances are the best way to avoid corruption. Instead of pooling all of our power into one person or organization, numerous specialized groups would ensure that the most able people were in their position and prevent others from abusing their power, should such a person even make it into office.

I realize that these are all ideal situations. But if they are pushed for enough, perhaps everyone will see how beneficial living in peace would be and come to a mutual agreement.

-Aurora

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sins_sacrosanct December 31 2009, 23:55:35 UTC
You have an astonishing amount of faith in the people for a man convinced that the murder of a popular figure in this world is something people are overreacting about. Consider this: The people who arrive here know nothing, and come from all walks of life, into a place that seems to actively discourage the gaining of knowledge. A significant percentage of the populace was, quite literally, born yesterday. Regardless of their level of intelligence, how can you hope to inform them enough that it will not be a popularity contest, especially given that as learning is punishable by death in some cases, that they would quite reasonably not even want to learn?

I strongly suspect that you either are human or look entirely human on the outside, Aurora.

[He has circled "numerous specialized groups would ensure that the most able people were in their position and prevent others from abusing their power"]Their existence brought about by whom? Their members chosen by whom? Legitimized by whom? How will they define "most able?" How will they ( ... )

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earth_uninstall January 1 2010, 02:31:00 UTC
[ooc: Anyone watching him write would notice a slight hesitation, perhaps even minor pauses between sentences.]I have faith in the people's potential, not who they are now. If given enough information upon their birth, such as an instructional manual, they would start off properly informed before they are influenced by unnecessary factors. Or perhaps allowing only those who have been here a sufficient amount of time to vote would work. Information such as a person's intentions and contributions to Edensphere are safe enough that they could be shared freely ( ... )

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sins_sacrosanct January 1 2010, 03:28:58 UTC
[ooc: He's not saying anything, but you better believe he noticed some of the pauses~]

Then, how long to cultivate this potential? I've yet to meet anyone who's been here more than a year, myself. Public opinion is--[pause, he's pinging himself here, but he continues on]--fickle, inconstant, unreliable at the best of times. In a place like this, a week could potentially bring about such a change that what was lauded yesterday is anathema to the people tomorrow. As for these proposed manuals--who will write them? Under whose authority will they be edited, reviewed, updated, and published? How will you keep partisans and other biased individuals from bribing or threatening their way to a favorable mention for themselves or a poor representation of the enemy ( ... )

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earth_uninstall January 3 2010, 02:13:48 UTC
[ooc: The hesitation continues.]As long as it takes; for such a delicate operation, it shouldn't be pushed any more than is necessary. I will admit that I don't know exactly how to accomplish this task, but I do think a manner exists. The manuals would be written in the most straightforward manner possible, avoiding the mention of specific people by name to avoid bias towards them and keeping descriptions for all places and jobs to the same formula and sentence count. If everyone oversaw the process, it would create an environment where bribery or other such improbable actions would be easy to spot and those who would be prone to them would avoid doing so, due to the high chances of being caught. Should they still decide go through with it, they would, as I mentioned, be noticed and stopped ( ... )

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