I have questions and comments and the want to do a thorough meta on Dean's want for and Sam's disregard for family, which I have been saying for moooooooooonths.
It came up a few eps ago - but like months ago because of hiatuses (hiati? haha whatever) where people were pissed that Sam was acting like he no longer cared about future and family and all that. And I counted down a handful (at least) of time where Dean was way more intent on them being together and a family and Sam was unintentionally selfish about his own life and mission.
I may or may not have fistpumped as Dean rants at Sam about his heaven being on his own.
Hm, yeah, I can see that. But then - Sam's POV on life is much different than Dean's. Even Sam himself said so this ep. Dean got to have "normal" - he knows what it's supposed to be like (even w/ their parents' problems). He got his PB&J w/ the crusts cut off and the toy cars and shirts that say "I Wuv Hugs." Sam didn't get any of that, so growing up, he wanted it - but he wasn't getting it from his family because John was so intent on hunting and Dean was just doing what John told him to do.
*sigh* Sorry - I just, I actually really felt for Sam in this episode. I'm just tired of it all being about Dean and how broken he is. It's like, okay we get it, he's broken - can we move on already?
Oh, no, I agree on why Sam is like that. But there were people complaining after the ep (which I can't remember now, but it was back in January) that the writers had gone mad by pushing Sam a someone who doesn't want/care about family and Dean is, and I was making the point that it's always been like that. I understand why, and was just reinforcing the fact. So, my intention back then had been to marathon the show again (hahah, again) and tick off all the moments where Dean is looking forward to the future and settling down and Sam is anything but.
I can understand Sam not responding because he doesn't know how to respond to the scenes. Even I was like 'omgwibblesomg' over it all from Dean's memories.
Yes, Jensen and Colin was the most endearing thing I've ever experienced in my life.
Ohh (: true! but just .. I felt like he should do or say something .. although at the end of the ep he sort of did so .. I guess he gets points for trying. ;P <3
I was thinking of you squeeing during that scene. :) Very, very pretty indeed.
I metaed a little on this already, but to summarize: Heaven for Dean is other people, and Heaven for Sam is independence (which is not the same thing as an absence of family). Which means Dean now has to figure out how to stand on his own, and Sam has to figure out how to be less stubbornly independent.
Hahah how on earth did you know I would die with happiness there? :-D
I don't know so much about it being the people or absence of people, but more like Dean's heaven is his memories of what he did have and Sam's are memories of what he couldn't ... I mean, literally, they were memories of Sam actually doing things, but they were moments stolen that he couldn't keep for very long. He stayed in Flagstaff for two weeks, he had Thanksgiving with other people, he ran off to Stanford. It's like his heaven is more about leaving and fighting for something else and Dean's is about holding on to what he was given. I guess it's kind of the same, but I think it's less on the focus of family and more on the idea that Dean was afforded these good memories and Sam's are twisted because he wasn't given (what we would consider) good ones.
I just....wanted to smack them both upside the head and tell Sam to give his damn brother a man-hug. DO IT. Don't just stand there like a bump on a log.
THEN I would adopt Colin Ford and feed him cookies and hide him away so he would stay tiny and precious forever.
It's SO FUNNY but for the whole first half of this season, I used to cry for Dean to just 'hug your fucking brother already' and to forgive him for the Lucifer thing (hahah, thing, like it's a tiny little mistake). But now, I really, really want Sam to console him and whichever one of you said it on Twitter last night, you're so right: Lately it's all H and no C and that makes me sad. Though my angst-loving heart is thriving right now.
If you fed Colin cookies he wouldn't be tiny forever, he'd get fat and bloated.
I agree with what you said in a previous comment. Sam is emotionally retarded like Dean, he doesn't know what the hell to do. BUT STANDING THERE IS NOT THE ANSWER.
Also, DUH, in the magical world I hide him away in, he neither ages nor grows. All the cookies he wants!
Yeah, but he did the same when they first faced John and Mary in Song Remains the Same. These are people that he didn't even really know. Especially Mary. Yeah, it's his mom, but he was a wee baby when she died, there's no earthly way he has any sort of regard for her as an actual person with a face he knows other than in photos and the like. So it's hard to be connected to just the face when he doesn't know her. Dean's compassion and response to Mary is so strong because he DID have her to know and remember.
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Where is this meta - I'd love to read it as well.
AND YES TO EVERYTHING ELSE ♥_♥
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I may or may not have fistpumped as Dean rants at Sam about his heaven being on his own.
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Hm, yeah, I can see that. But then - Sam's POV on life is much different than Dean's. Even Sam himself said so this ep. Dean got to have "normal" - he knows what it's supposed to be like (even w/ their parents' problems). He got his PB&J w/ the crusts cut off and the toy cars and shirts that say "I Wuv Hugs." Sam didn't get any of that, so growing up, he wanted it - but he wasn't getting it from his family because John was so intent on hunting and Dean was just doing what John told him to do.
*sigh* Sorry - I just, I actually really felt for Sam in this episode. I'm just tired of it all being about Dean and how broken he is. It's like, okay we get it, he's broken - can we move on already?
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but OH MY GOD <333 that SCENE!! Colin & Jensen!! = <3 <3 <3 *flails* ohh my heart!
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Yes, Jensen and Colin was the most endearing thing I've ever experienced in my life.
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I metaed a little on this already, but to summarize: Heaven for Dean is other people, and Heaven for Sam is independence (which is not the same thing as an absence of family). Which means Dean now has to figure out how to stand on his own, and Sam has to figure out how to be less stubbornly independent.
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I don't know so much about it being the people or absence of people, but more like Dean's heaven is his memories of what he did have and Sam's are memories of what he couldn't ... I mean, literally, they were memories of Sam actually doing things, but they were moments stolen that he couldn't keep for very long. He stayed in Flagstaff for two weeks, he had Thanksgiving with other people, he ran off to Stanford. It's like his heaven is more about leaving and fighting for something else and Dean's is about holding on to what he was given. I guess it's kind of the same, but I think it's less on the focus of family and more on the idea that Dean was afforded these good memories and Sam's are twisted because he wasn't given (what we would consider) good ones.
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I just....wanted to smack them both upside the head and tell Sam to give his damn brother a man-hug. DO IT. Don't just stand there like a bump on a log.
THEN I would adopt Colin Ford and feed him cookies and hide him away so he would stay tiny and precious forever.
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If you fed Colin cookies he wouldn't be tiny forever, he'd get fat and bloated.
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Also, DUH, in the magical world I hide him away in, he neither ages nor grows. All the cookies he wants!
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Oh, well that makes perfect sense. :-P
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