No problem, I 'like' Thomas, that is, I like what he brings to the show, if not as a person per se. And it blew me away to find out Rob James-Collier was Liam on Corrie, which I haven't watched for years so I didn't recognize him immediately.
Winters and Nixon!! *squee* :) Maybe I'm due for a proper BoB re-watch... I miss them.
And I agree with you about DA's appeal. I'm a sucker for genuine ensemble shows with diverse characters (see BoB), and while I have my favorites, I wouldn't want to lose the other characters not only b/c of the relationships they've already formed with each other but also opportunities for new interactions. And nothing like wartime to shake things up and create more of those opportunities, which offer viewers more insight into who they are.
Dike! I'd have picked Sobel as the hardest-to-like character but both served a purpose (in Dike's case, they even changed his story to make it more dramatic, since he didn't die in the attack on Foy) and as long as I can see that and they're good actors, I don't wish them off the show. Ditto with DA.
who are your BoB favourites
Gosh, that's actually a tough question b/c EZ company's just so awesome. :) If I had to be specific, Winters, Nixon, Speirs, Welsh (Harry shouting 'oh you beautiful babies you!' at the Sherman tanks in ep. 3 is one of my favorite BoB moments ever), Luz, Malarkey, Lipton, Liebgott, Eugene. But I'm fond of all the characters (minus the villains) and all the interactions we've had in this series. I even liked Lt. Meehan and he only lasted an ep.
I like Thomas a lot as a character - after all, sometimes the best ones in fiction are the ones you wouldn't want to meet in real life! I've always wished we could've seen some exploration of why he's such a bastard in s1. Ditto with O'Brien. So all the talk of development for them in the presspack made me happy!
As for the article's speculation. 'Letting someone in' sounds romantic, but maybe it's not. I've always wondered if the doctor had an interest him, and he seems to have been bumped up as a cast member (since he got an individual character promo shot) but who knows, maybe Thomas will turn out to be bi.
(also, *reads above convo*, BoB fans! Woohoo! I was just watching it yesterday.)
Actually I liked that they didn't try to explain why Thomas and O'Brien were so rotten. Seemed more realistic, in that decent people live or work with rotten people every day w/o knowing much about their backgrounds, it's something you just deal with. And it might help us understand them a bit better but I doubt it'd excuse what they've done. And if that's not going to change (much), why not stay within those boundaries and shape the characters from there.
Also I have to say, I like that Thomas is a villainous character who just happens to be gay or bi (Rob James-Collier himself made that point in his podcast, 'how do you know he's not bi?') rather than a male character defined by his sexual orientation, ie. it wouldn't have made a difference in his willingness to use whatever means necessary for his own gains had he turned out to be heterosexual.
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Oh I didn't mean reveal some sob story excuse, I just felt Thomas + O'Brien were left too much as 1 dimensional villains (where-as, Mary was malicious sometimes but we spent enough time with her at others to get a different side to her) when I think some of the points they were making about their lives/work/etc were pretty honest and understandable. They didn't get as much light and shade as other characters, but no, I don't think there's any need to redeem them. I like that it sounds as if while we see more to O'Brien in s2, she isn't any nicer
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I think it goes back to the issue of each character's purpose. Mary may be (have been?) more of an anti-heroine but she's still a heroine, and her storyline with Matthew (which isn't just a romance btw the two but one with significant implications for the family and estate) can only move forward when she becomes more vulnerable and finally opens her eyes to what he's like. (No coincidence that his offer of condolences after Pamuk's death was the turning point in their relationship
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That’s a very good point, and I do agree Mary is meant to be a figure we cheer on despite being somewhat flawed (and she’s also the leading female, so obviously more time is spent on her than other characters), but as with my love for Mary’s flaws, I find flaws and that nastier side to the inner world of an Edwardian house really interesting, I like when you get to see the villain/antagonist’s side of things, because it’s never just black and white. You’re right though, and what happens to those characters in s2 is one of the things I’m most excited for, since, like you say, now there’s time for some progression in them
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Malarkey! <333 Oh god I love him. I *just* finished it two nights ago and I'm still reeling - although now I'm going to go back and watch the first episodes again because now I'll know who they all are (it took me about 4 before I could differentiate between most of them xD, so I'm sure much of the first episodes were lost on my befuddled mind!). I need to get some icons.
That's exactly how I read it! I mean, the wording does make it sound like that, but maybe that's just misleading. Either way I'm excited to see Thomas have someone he cares about, it should be interesting to see.
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And I agree with you about DA's appeal. I'm a sucker for genuine ensemble shows with diverse characters (see BoB), and while I have my favorites, I wouldn't want to lose the other characters not only b/c of the relationships they've already formed with each other but also opportunities for new interactions. And nothing like wartime to shake things up and create more of those opportunities, which offer viewers more insight into who they are.
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who are your BoB favourites
Gosh, that's actually a tough question b/c EZ company's just so awesome. :) If I had to be specific, Winters, Nixon, Speirs, Welsh (Harry shouting 'oh you beautiful babies you!' at the Sherman tanks in ep. 3 is one of my favorite BoB moments ever), Luz, Malarkey, Lipton, Liebgott, Eugene. But I'm fond of all the characters (minus the villains) and all the interactions we've had in this series. I even liked Lt. Meehan and he only lasted an ep.
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As for the article's speculation. 'Letting someone in' sounds romantic, but maybe it's not. I've always wondered if the doctor had an interest him, and he seems to have been bumped up as a cast member (since he got an individual character promo shot) but who knows, maybe Thomas will turn out to be bi.
(also, *reads above convo*, BoB fans! Woohoo! I was just watching it yesterday.)
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Also I have to say, I like that Thomas is a villainous character who just happens to be gay or bi (Rob James-Collier himself made that point in his podcast, 'how do you know he's not bi?') rather than a male character defined by his sexual orientation, ie. it wouldn't have made a difference in his willingness to use whatever means necessary for his own gains had he turned out to be heterosexual.
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That's exactly how I read it! I mean, the wording does make it sound like that, but maybe that's just misleading. Either way I'm excited to see Thomas have someone he cares about, it should be interesting to see.
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