Re: Clearing Up Hopefully?devifemmeMarch 30 2019, 16:06:03 UTC
Thank you, dear Viktoria -- you explained so well how the small confusion over "grills" happened.
But, in fact, I am in utter awe of your "English skills" -- and I know well how complicated life GETS in a "second language."
You see, until recently I was in the US Foreign Service. -- and learned German, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese. I used them often in conversation and reading (though, oddly, never WRITING: there were always local employees who handled letters and other documents).
Our instructors in all four languages were nervous about teaching the "familiar" -- afraid, I always thought, that we'd slip and address a high foreign official as "Du" rather than "Sie," or whatever.
(Of course children learn the familiar FIRST, so they are most relaxed using it with friends. We were the opposite, even addressing dogs and cats as "Sie." i'm not kidding...)
But in NONE of the languages was I ever as good as you are -- objectively speaking. They never really got "anchored" in my mind, since I always moved on to the next one.
German was the most intricate for me, requiring the most effort to be "fliessig" (easily and flexibly able to communicate).
BTW, Viktoria, you'd really enjoy Mark Twain's hilarious essay on learning German...
Portuguese for me was the most fun. I lived in Rio. As it happened, I'd just broken up with my longtime American partner --alongside whom I learned German and Spanish. (We made a point of NOT practicing with anyone who wasn't a native speaker; you just pick up each other's errors.)
So, in Portuguese (and Italian), I had the huge linguistic benefit of learning "pillow talk".
In Rio, there were several girls whom I slept with -- and of course spoke in the familiar. I recall, one girl liked going down on me because, she insisted, I "tasted like mel" (honey!)...
And, in Portuguese, funny enough, one slang word for "to fuck" is "transar" -- vaguely related to "translating."
So, you see, sweetie, I really do appreciate your "Fliessigkeit" (one capitalizes the first letter of nouns "auf Deutsch").
And, of course, even if English has no form of familiar, YOU have the benefit of "pillow talk" ...hee hee!
Perhaps it's early to say so, but I think you and I fit together quite wonderfully. I hope you agree..
Re: Clearing Up Hopefully?meisje_viktoriaMarch 30 2019, 16:16:03 UTC
My German is horrid, even though Ellie tries to teach me some words on and off, but we kind of meet in the middle and mostly speak in English. It is funny at times, when we are in the moment, she will start talking in German and at first I was like "do you like?"
I feel at times when I try to express myself, my language may come off as a bit archaic or just "off" so please excuse any odd issues.
Re: Clearing Up Hopefully?devifemmeMarch 30 2019, 20:45:48 UTC
Aha, you DO have ein Bisschen Deutsch -- I do urge you to look up Twain's funny piece (it's in several Twain anthologies).
And that reminds me of Gisela Bundchen (a "little union," if you want to play that game), who of course is Brasileira. (By way of the models in your meme...)
So your Ellie is German, or partly so. That's cool. You know, I've never bedded a German girl -- NOT that I'm suggesting Ellie for that honor. But I lived almost four years in Muenchen -- "little monks," of course. And never slept with a Muenchnerin...my serious sleeping around only began at the end of a long affair with a Californian named Linda.
Okay, so I won't seem like i'm bragging -- your turn! Tell me the nationality of the most exotic girl you've been with."Gringas" obviously DON'T count...
Re: Clearing Up Hopefully?meisje_viktoriaMarch 30 2019, 20:53:30 UTC
Hmmm, well I been around, but I think if we were talking about bedding, it either a tossed up between an lovely woman from India and or the Japanese co-student.
Re: Clearing Up Hopefully?devifemmeMarch 31 2019, 07:05:08 UTC
Ooh, tell me a little more about the lovely Indian! In fact, my last assignment in the Foreign Service was New Delhi, and I came to know many delightful Indians -- but never had a "dalliance" with anyone but Joanne while there.
I should tell you that, a couple of years after that, taklng early retirement and fetching up in Washington, she and I went through a rough time. Arguing, talking divorce, etc. Not pretty!
And then, for what I think are goofy "religious" reasons, she decided that she no longer liked sex --not just with me, but with anyone! (She had wanted to be a Catholic nun [!!] earlier in her life, but with me she loved fucking, bdsm, even playing the harsh dominatrix -- no kidding! For over a decade!)
We've tried counseling, but she rejects talking to a shrink about it. Not even our family doc. She likes being with me, we have fun and we continue to get along on most things.
But she rejects the idea of me seeing other girls. She grudgingly agrees I can do what I like on-line, and I've had some delicious on-line sex, both porn/jilling and serious sexting -- back when I was all over Tumblr.
Had you ever tried the flirty, sometimes-tightly-scripted play there? I had 5-6 quite varied relationships in as many years on Tumblr -- but, as of last Dec. the profit- driven management of the community chose to sell membership apps through "Apple Stores."
Apple demanded Tumblr severely restrict members' naughty photos and texts, and they agreed -- according to press reports, they forced out tens of millions of members, including me.
Trying to explain the situationmeisje_viktoriaMarch 31 2019, 12:47:47 UTC
Ellie and I have a complex relationship of sorts. I guess most would consider it open, but really it more for me, and for being with men. When we started to date, the condition was pretty hyper, and me being bi kind of intimidate her. She thought my cravings would be too much and I would get bored, but it far from the case. So now, we just have to be open about what is going on, and it either of us have an issue, we just ask the other to respect our choice and comfort level.
I hope that makes sense, I always feel like it is hard to explain.
Re: Trying to explain the situationdevifemmeMarch 31 2019, 18:30:54 UTC
It DOES make a lot of sense, dear Viktoria, AND it seems to say you and I are similar to each other in many ways.
The only difference I see in you/me being alike is our respective mates -- that is, what strikes me is that Ellie is sane and "normal" and -- deep down --Joanne is quite fragile. Weird thing is that she's long ago persuaded herself that I benefitted hugely from my therapy ten years ago -- (and is quick to ask, "did you take your meds today?" if I seem down or edgy).
But she can't apply it to herself -- angrily rejecting any suggestion she see a shrink to look at hee mood problems.
Taking off from YOUR perceptive point, she doesn't "respect [my] choice and comfort level..." because she is a domme at heart.
Re: Trying to explain the situationmeisje_viktoriaMarch 31 2019, 19:59:44 UTC
Does a domme person come off as stubborn at times. I am not well versed in the BSDM language, which I think this is a reference to (if not I am really sorry if I misunderstood), as I always been the submissive, the toy, the gift, the giver etc. So I am not sure if being a dominate person means not taking advice from someone.
Re: Trying to explain the situationdevifemmeMarch 31 2019, 23:29:45 UTC
Yes, I think you are right: dominants ARE stubborn -- sometimes even "pig-headed," if you know what I mean. First, they demand to get their own way; second, they think dommes are ENTITLED to control those they love ("control-freaks," as they are known).
i have a little insight into the question because I'm actually a bit odd. I can impersonate either role, what's called in BDSM a "switch" -- someone who can play domme OR subbie, depending on what your partner wants to be.
You might think everyone would want to be in charge, hey -- command their lover to "lick my pussy," whatever! Kind of the more creative side -- you say what the rules are, you punish infractions.
Assuming you think that pain can be an intense erotic experience (and I DO!), you can spank her right into an orgasm. And that, my sweet, is a delicious power to have over a lover. Right?
Well, you just might be a dominatrix, Viktoria (and BTW it's a GOOD domme-name, especially with the "k" spelling!) .
But, hey, it's a weighty responsibility, having to punish someone who WANTS to be punished -- instiling real fear into a lover. Maybe it'd be nicer to just take the yummy punishment, to be controlled and made to cum by a person whose strength you admire.
Well, you might be a submissive -- and subbies do seem to have all the FUN! A year ago, I played on-line for 5-6 months with a nurse who was submissive, but too much on HER terms. I could order her to do lots of self-punishing stuff, but couldn't get her punish anyone else. (Which I was fanrasizing, I admit...)
She cited the nurses' creed, never to harm anyone -- and we struggled with what it would mean for her to spank someone who needed to be "turned on" in that way. She was THAT much of a subbie. But, in my terms, she was being selfish and a bit lazy. What is referred to in BDSM circles as "topping from the bottom"...
Which was too bad because, especially as a sometime-subbie, I knew how hard it was to design "scenes" that would play to her special kinks. Tickle her desires, push her buttons. Of the two roles, domme is a lot harder to be: you are the director, the set designer, and one of the stars; the subbie is usually the spoiled diva.
So, yes, I love being a subbie -- but I also do a good job of dominating willing girls.
So which ARE you, Viktoria? Are you Ellie's domme -- since you seem to have a bit more experience than she? Or -- as you write -- are you the "toy, the gift, the giver"?
Do you love her to force your hands above your head while she touches you however she wants?
Or do you want to tie her hands and spank her hard enough to shock her? But she doesn't cry, not quite, she welcomes it, she knows it will arouse both of you -- and maybe YOU in fact want her to beg for more spankings.
And, reading you ever so carefully, she WILL beg, perhaps surprising both of you as she coyly opens her legs to you...
Just celebrating our record-length string of comments here. I really enjoy swapping messages, impressions, mini-stories, etc. with YOU, Viktoria. Hope you don't find this photo too naughty -- if you can open it!
RE: Re: Re: Trying to explain the situationdevifemmeApril 1 2019, 13:07:35 UTC
Thinking about the photo I sent you?, i do like clamps on my nipples just occasionally -- the pain is sublime. I do it when jilling -- for instance, when I'm right on the verge of cumming, wanting that ittle extra "shove"
Re: Trying to explain the situationmeisje_viktoriaApril 1 2019, 00:32:45 UTC
Sorry about that, now I should answer...
I would say 7 out of 10 times I am the sub, but it mostly me being the toy. I enjoy for lack of a better term, "doing the work", in that I feel it one of the reasons I am on the planet is to please those around me. I like that I can be an instrument to use my body to give delight to others.
Re: Trying to explain the situationdevifemmeApril 1 2019, 05:26:59 UTC
Dear Viktoria (I just looked up "meisje," finding it's Dutch for "girl" -- a really cool blog-name, sweetie):
So, 7 out of 10 times, you're the subbie, but of course, then you're the domme the other 3 times! So you ARE a switch -- how very cool!
Do you sometimes play rough when you're dominating a girl? On that split-preference, I like both: playing gently -- then letting it get wild as the mood dictates.
I only have sex with women, as I told you -- but many of my girlfriends have been bi like you. Not my concern -- as long as they're super-careful in fucking males (rubbers for sure).
But, in fact, I am in utter awe of your "English skills" -- and I know well how complicated life GETS in a "second language."
You see, until recently I was in the US Foreign Service. -- and learned German, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese. I used them often in conversation and reading (though, oddly, never WRITING: there were always local employees who handled letters and other documents).
Our instructors in all four languages were nervous about teaching the "familiar" -- afraid, I always thought, that we'd slip and address a high foreign official as "Du" rather than "Sie," or whatever.
(Of course children learn the familiar FIRST, so they are most relaxed using it with friends. We were the opposite, even addressing dogs and cats as "Sie." i'm not kidding...)
But in NONE of the languages was I ever as good as you are -- objectively speaking. They never really got "anchored" in my mind, since I always moved on to the next one.
German was the most intricate for me, requiring the most effort to be "fliessig" (easily and flexibly able to communicate).
BTW, Viktoria, you'd really enjoy Mark Twain's hilarious essay on learning German...
Portuguese for me was the most fun. I lived in Rio. As it happened, I'd just broken up with my longtime American partner --alongside whom I learned German and Spanish. (We made a point of NOT practicing with anyone who wasn't a native speaker; you just pick up each other's errors.)
So, in Portuguese (and Italian), I had the huge linguistic benefit of learning "pillow talk".
In Rio, there were several girls whom I slept with -- and of course spoke in the familiar. I recall, one girl liked going down on me because, she insisted, I "tasted like mel" (honey!)...
And, in Portuguese, funny enough, one slang word for "to fuck" is "transar" -- vaguely related to "translating."
So, you see, sweetie, I really do appreciate your "Fliessigkeit" (one capitalizes the first letter of nouns "auf Deutsch").
And, of course, even if English has no form of familiar, YOU have the benefit of "pillow talk" ...hee hee!
Perhaps it's early to say so, but I think you and I fit together quite wonderfully. I hope you agree..
Beijinhos (Kisses in Portuguese), J
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I feel at times when I try to express myself, my language may come off as a bit archaic or just "off" so please excuse any odd issues.
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And that reminds me of Gisela Bundchen (a "little union," if you want to play that game), who of course is Brasileira. (By way of the models in your meme...)
So your Ellie is German, or partly so. That's cool. You know, I've never bedded a German girl -- NOT that I'm suggesting Ellie for that honor. But I lived almost four years in Muenchen -- "little monks," of course. And never slept with a Muenchnerin...my serious sleeping around only began at the end of a long affair with a Californian named Linda.
Okay, so I won't seem like i'm bragging -- your turn! Tell me the nationality of the most exotic girl you've been with."Gringas" obviously DON'T count...
Kuesse!
J
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I should tell you that, a couple of years after that, taklng early retirement and fetching up in Washington, she and I went through a rough time. Arguing, talking divorce, etc. Not pretty!
And then, for what I think are goofy "religious" reasons, she decided that she no longer liked sex --not just with me, but with anyone! (She had wanted to be a Catholic nun [!!] earlier in her life, but with me she loved fucking, bdsm, even playing the harsh dominatrix -- no kidding! For over a decade!)
We've tried counseling, but she rejects talking to a shrink about it. Not even our family doc. She likes being with me, we have fun and we continue to get along on most things.
But she rejects the idea of me seeing other girls. She grudgingly agrees I can do what I like on-line, and I've had some delicious on-line sex, both porn/jilling and serious sexting -- back when I was all over Tumblr.
Had you ever tried the flirty, sometimes-tightly-scripted play there? I had 5-6 quite varied relationships in as many years on Tumblr -- but, as of last Dec. the profit- driven management of the community chose to sell membership apps through "Apple Stores."
Apple demanded Tumblr severely restrict members' naughty photos and texts, and they agreed -- according to press reports, they forced out tens of millions of members, including me.
Kinda sad...
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I hope that makes sense, I always feel like it is hard to explain.
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The only difference I see in you/me being alike is our respective mates -- that is, what strikes me is that Ellie is sane and "normal" and -- deep down --Joanne is quite fragile. Weird thing is that she's long ago persuaded herself that I benefitted hugely from my therapy ten years ago -- (and is quick to ask, "did you take your meds today?" if I seem down or edgy).
But she can't apply it to herself -- angrily rejecting any suggestion she see a shrink to look at hee mood problems.
Taking off from YOUR perceptive point, she doesn't "respect [my] choice and comfort level..." because she is a domme at heart.
Just a thought -- i'd love to hear your reaction!
Hugs, J
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i have a little insight into the question because I'm actually a bit odd. I can impersonate either role, what's called in BDSM a "switch" -- someone who can play domme OR subbie, depending on what your partner wants to be.
You might think everyone would want to be in charge, hey -- command their lover to "lick my pussy," whatever! Kind of the more creative side -- you say what the rules are, you punish infractions.
Assuming you think that pain can be an intense erotic experience (and I DO!), you can spank her right into an orgasm. And that, my sweet, is a delicious power to
have over a lover. Right?
Well, you just might be a dominatrix, Viktoria (and BTW it's a GOOD domme-name, especially with the "k" spelling!) .
But, hey, it's a weighty responsibility, having to punish someone who WANTS to be punished -- instiling real fear into a
lover. Maybe it'd be nicer to just take the yummy punishment, to be controlled and made to cum by a person whose strength you admire.
Well, you might be a submissive -- and subbies do seem to have all the FUN! A year ago, I played on-line for 5-6 months with a nurse who was submissive, but too much on HER terms. I could order her to do lots of self-punishing stuff, but couldn't get her punish anyone else. (Which I was fanrasizing, I admit...)
She cited the nurses' creed, never to harm anyone -- and we struggled with what it would mean for her to spank someone who needed to be "turned on" in that way. She was THAT much of a subbie. But, in my terms, she was being selfish and a bit lazy. What is referred to in BDSM circles as "topping from the bottom"...
Which was too bad because, especially as a sometime-subbie, I knew how hard it was to design "scenes" that would play to her special kinks. Tickle her desires, push her buttons. Of the two roles, domme is a lot harder to be: you are the director, the set designer, and one of the stars; the subbie is usually the spoiled diva.
So, yes, I love being a subbie -- but I also do a good job of dominating willing girls.
So which ARE you, Viktoria? Are you Ellie's domme -- since you seem to have a bit more experience than she? Or -- as you write -- are you the "toy, the gift, the giver"?
Do you love her to force your hands above your head while she touches you however she wants?
Or do you want to tie her hands and spank her hard enough to shock her? But she doesn't cry, not quite, she welcomes it, she knows it will arouse both of you -- and maybe YOU in fact want her to beg for more spankings.
And, reading you ever so carefully, she WILL beg, perhaps surprising both of you as she coyly opens her legs to you...
Just a couple of ideas...
Hugs, J
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Just celebrating our record-length string of comments here. I really enjoy swapping messages, impressions, mini-stories, etc. with YOU, Viktoria. Hope you don't find this photo too naughty -- if you can open it!
Kisses, J
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I would say 7 out of 10 times I am the sub, but it mostly me being the toy. I enjoy for lack of a better term, "doing the work", in that I feel it one of the reasons I am on the planet is to please those around me. I like that I can be an instrument to use my body to give delight to others.
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So, 7 out of 10 times, you're the subbie, but of course, then you're the domme the other 3 times! So you ARE a switch -- how very cool!
Do you sometimes play rough when you're dominating a girl? On that split-preference, I like both: playing gently -- then letting it get wild as the mood dictates.
I only have sex with women, as I told you -- but many of my girlfriends have been bi like you. Not my concern -- as long as they're super-careful in fucking males (rubbers for sure).
Lots to think about!
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