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Jun 11, 2009 12:01

Someone in the Spock/Uhura community linked to this post:

Who is the ultimate HBIC?I thought it was kind of fun, so I nominated Cate Banfield from ER (on page 11 or so), though there were lots of HBIC’s I could have voted for: Lisa Cuddy, Lt. Uhura, Cordelia Chase, Buffy Summers, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace…too many to mention. Saw Hermione (there ( Read more... )

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madderbrad June 12 2009, 03:17:00 UTC
It took me a few minutes to research what 'HBIC' actually means. :-)

Ginny as a HBIC? Oh, come on. Maybe in a very small-scale way - seeing as how I complain that she's an aggressive little bully in HBP I guess I have to concede that - but 'in charge'? The girl who stayed behind when Harry said "stay!" (not that she tried very hard to go with him)? The girl who obediently stayed in the RoR when she was told not to take part in the battle (and only got out when Harry tossed her out in pursuit of Malfoy)? The girl who allowed Harry total dominance over the naming of all three of their children?

Ginny was good at slyly tripping brothers and mocking people behind their backs, plus some one-on-one bullying (again, with surprise attacks) but someone who actually 'took charge'? Nah.

(Although I'm possibly missing out on huge slabs of 'HBIC' popular context.)

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delylah June 12 2009, 04:42:53 UTC
Somehow I knew when I made this post that you would respond with a slam against Ginny. Aren't you bored with that, yet?

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madderbrad June 12 2009, 06:44:11 UTC
Aren't you bored with that, yet?Well, I'm on LJ primarily because of my interest in and involvement with the HP fandom; I saw your HP-related comment; I disagreed with your thinking that Ginny is anywhere close to (what I understand to be) 'HBIC' status; so I expressed my opinion. Like I said, that's largely why I'm on LJ, because of my interest in HP, and discussion of same. So no, I'm not bored with that. But maybe the fact that I made the comment could have led you to that conclusion ( ... )

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delylah June 12 2009, 14:34:34 UTC
I never said whether or not I thought Ginny qualified as the ultimate HBIC. I simply made the observation that no one had nominated her.

As for your "interest" and "involvement" in HP fandom, you seem to spend an awful lot of time ranting about a character and two books you profess to hate, but you never bother ranting in your own journal. Instead, you go about making disparaging comments about one of H/G fans' favorite characters in their journals, which makes me suspect that your primary goal, rather than intellectual discourse, is to piss people off, which makes you a Troll.

However, I'll play along for now. A bully is generally considered to be superior in size, strength, or power (physical, monetary, political, influential, intellectual, magical, whatever) to the person they are bullying. So do tell me where in HBP Ginny is bullying anyone she is larger or more powerful than? Did she attack someone with magical birds? Or perhaps she confunded a completely innocent, unsuspecting student?

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madderbrad June 12 2009, 22:20:22 UTC
I never said whether or not I thought Ginny qualified as the ultimate HBIC. I simply made the observation that no one had nominated her.

And I made the observation that she's nowhere close to a 'take charge' person in the HP series, 'ultimate' or otherwise. Maybe that's why no-one has nominated her yet. (I'm sure some Ginny fan will eventually.)

you seem to spend an awful lot of time ranting about a character and two books you profess to hate, but you never bother ranting in your own journal. ...

Oh my goodness, if there's a 'rule' that comments in other journals have to be balanced by entries in one's own blog then I'd better get cracking!! :-) :-) Coincidentally enough I'm thinking of making a post one day to sum up my opinion of the series and DH, for the sake of personal 'completion'. Nice to know I'll be making a positive adjustment according to the Delylah scale of proper blogging deportment in the same move.

which makes me suspect that your primary goal, rather than intellectual discourse, is to piss people off, which ( ... )

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delylah June 12 2009, 23:20:08 UTC
Then you must detest Hermione for slapping Malfoy ( ... )

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madderbrad June 13 2009, 00:05:02 UTC
Then you must detest Hermione for slapping Malfoy.

Not quite 'detest', as Hermione's slapping Malfoy isn't nearly as egregious as Ginny's offences, but yes, I didn't like that either. So I think we're in agreement regarding both of Harry's distaff chums. :-)

do you just not understand that what you do in H/G fans' journals is trolling?

Woah! We're moving from "Brad discussing an item that Delylah brought up in her own blog" to "Brad posting in H/G fans' - plural - journals"? I don't think you know what you're talking about, Delylah. We'll keep this discussion related to your blog entry, thanks.

And yes, my posting my comment about Ginny yesterday in your blog wasn't trolling.

It's like if I went into HarryHermione ...

It's nothing close to being the same.

Just because I've debated with you in my journal in the past does not give you license ... The posts in which we've debated in the past have usually been posts where I was open to such discussionBut in this one you're not "open to such discussion". But there's nothing ( ... )

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delylah June 13 2009, 01:05:22 UTC
Why would Hermione's offense be any less egregious than Ginny's, other than that you like Hermione and dislike Ginny? They both resorted to violence rather than words - Ginny with Magical, Hermione with physical.

Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. I can name 2 or 3 other posts that I know of in other people's journals in which you've done something similar - turned an innocuous post into an opportunity for you to spread the Ginny-hate. I'm confident if I ask around, I can find more examples.

We'll keep this discussion related to your blog entry, thanks.Again, you're forgetting...my journal, and I happen to think your actions in other H/G fans' journals are relevant to this discussion, because it establishes a pattern of behavior. Plus - I'll thank you not to tell me what I can and can't discuss on my own journal ( ... )

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madderbrad June 13 2009, 02:38:12 UTC
... other than that you like Hermione and dislike Ginny?

Heh. Don't put words in my mouth, Delylah; I'm trying to be fair here. Straw men are not welcome!

They both resorted to violence rather than words - Ginny with Magical, Hermione with physical.

Not quite - Ginny with both magical and physical.

Take the second (physical) case, of Ginny ramming into Smith with no warning:

... Ginny sped right on past them until, with an almighty crash, she collided with the commentators podium. As the crowd shrieked and laughed, the Gryffindor team landed beside the wreckage of wood under which Zacharias was feebly stirring,

An 'almighty crash' resulting in a 'wreckage of wood' and Smith 'feebly stirring'. Several orders of magnitude more severe than a mere slap in the face. That's why. No imagined Hermione bias required!

Again, you're forgetting...my journal

"Again"?

... and I happen to think your actions in other H/G fans' journals are relevant to this discussion, because it establishes a pattern of behavior.Well, I happen to ( ... )

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delylah June 13 2009, 03:16:53 UTC
I apparently hit the wrong "reply" link. Please go to http://delylah.livejournal.com/227183.html?thread=1039215#t1039215 to see my response.

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