*listens to crickets chirping*
Someone in the Spock/Uhura community linked to this post:
Who is the ultimate HBIC?I thought it was kind of fun, so I nominated Cate Banfield from ER (on page 11 or so), though there were lots of HBIC’s I could have voted for: Lisa Cuddy, Lt. Uhura, Cordelia Chase, Buffy Summers, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace…too many to mention. Saw Hermione (there ( Read more... )
Who is the ultimate HBIC?I thought it was kind of fun, so I nominated Cate Banfield from ER (on page 11 or so), though there were lots of HBIC’s I could have voted for: Lisa Cuddy, Lt. Uhura, Cordelia Chase, Buffy Summers, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace…too many to mention. Saw Hermione (there ( Read more... )
I have to ask - do you just not understand that what you do in H/G fans' journals is trolling? Or do you just not care? It's like if I went into HarryHermione and started spouting off about what a bitch I think Hermione is (which I don't, I'm just using it as the most offensive example I can think of to piss of H/Hr fans), and I used the justification "Well, they posted something about a Harry Potter character and I happen to disagree strongly with their opinion. I have a right to express my opinion anywhere I want to. If they are going to post about that character, they should be prepared to defend that character."
I wouldn't do that in HarryHermione. It would be rude. That community is their safe place to discuss the HarryHermione ship and enjoy the discussion without being forced to defend their opinions by naysayers. I daresay most of them feel the same way about their journals - which is the same way H/G fans feel about their own journals. Most people, when they want to debate Harry/Hermione vs Harry/Ginny, or even Ginny vs Hermione will go to a debate community or journal to do that, at least, the reasonable ones will.
Just because I've debated with you in my journal in the past does not give you license to get your subtle (or in this case, not so subtle) digs in at Ginny every time I mention her name in my journal. The posts in which we've debated in the past have usually been posts where I was open to such discussion, because the entire post was discussing shipping or characters in Harry Potter or discussing the latest release of a novel in the series (or the lead-up to).
If you hate Ginny, and you hate the books - why don't you post in your own journal about it? Why do you feel it necessary to comment about it on other people's journals instead, people whom you know good and well do not agree with you and will not agree with you, no matter how many examples you produce to support your opinion? It's an honest question, and it has nothing to do with your snide assertion that I have "a sliding scale of proper blogging deportment." I'm genuinely curious, because the comments I've seen you make in other people's journals (and sometimes in mine) lead me to believe you enjoy fanning the flames of discord, and posting in your own journal wouldn't accomplish that goal.
As for my homing in on the word "bully" in your post - it was the only part of your original comment that interested me. Again - I never expressed my opinion on whether or not I considered Ginny to be "in charge." I will continue not to express my opinion of whether or not she is "in charge," because I do not wish to do so. In this matter, I choose to keep my opinion to myself.
Yes, I expected you to say something. I almost left Ginny's name out of it, but I'll admit to harboring some curiosity as to whether or not you would respond in the way I suspected you would. Predictably, you did. I used to enjoy debating with you, because in the past, you were all about how much you enjoyed Hermione. These days, you're all about hating Ginny, JKR, HBP and DH - which doesn't interest me.
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Not quite 'detest', as Hermione's slapping Malfoy isn't nearly as egregious as Ginny's offences, but yes, I didn't like that either. So I think we're in agreement regarding both of Harry's distaff chums. :-)
do you just not understand that what you do in H/G fans' journals is trolling?
Woah! We're moving from "Brad discussing an item that Delylah brought up in her own blog" to "Brad posting in H/G fans' - plural - journals"? I don't think you know what you're talking about, Delylah. We'll keep this discussion related to your blog entry, thanks.
And yes, my posting my comment about Ginny yesterday in your blog wasn't trolling.
It's like if I went into HarryHermione ...
It's nothing close to being the same.
Just because I've debated with you in my journal in the past does not give you license ... The posts in which we've debated in the past have usually been posts where I was open to such discussion
But in this one you're not "open to such discussion". But there's nothing stating this in your entry.
Turn things around for a tick. Imagine you'd said something like "I don't want to discuss Ginny" or "no-one has put in Ginny yet (something I'm noting but don't wish to discuss)" or "no-one has put in Ginny yet (no debate please)". I wouldn't have posted my comment; we wouldn't be having this exchange, you wouldn't be escalating things to be attacks on me as a troll - initially on your blog, now on the world?! - everything would be square.
But instead you didn't say anything at all about changing the rules and precedent of four years of correspondence. You've said yourself, twice now, that you expected me to turn up. Why, then, the sudden irritation at my doing so? Or, rather, your trying to saddle me with a misdemeanour in doing so?
Sorry, Delylah, I wasn't able to read your mind and discern that, this time, you "weren't open to discussion".
Again - I never expressed my opinion on whether or not I considered Ginny to be "in charge."
Yet your post implied that you saw Ginny as a candidate for the role of 'HBIC', which is all about being 'in charge'. At least from what I gathered in my little bit of research. The 'IC' letters do suggest it, you know. :-)
I'll admit to harboring some curiosity as to whether or not you would respond in the way I suspected you would. Predictably, you did.
It's good fun, isn't it? I never did anything close to 'psychology' at university, but I've had great fun psychoanalysing various HP fans and predicting their behaviour too. I think this was an easy one, though. As I've already said - four years of feeling free to bring up contrary views in your blog, and never a peep from you that such wasn't welcome.
So, Delylah, what are the (new) 'rules' for your blog? No contrary-to-Delylah's-view HP opinions welcome? Or only for your locked posts? Like I said, I'm a polite chap, and if you no longer are 'interested' in supporting/defending/justifying your HP views (in your locked posts, or all?) I'll certainly comply. Like I said, I can't read your mind, and this after-the-event bickering seems an inefficient way of making your new standards known.
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Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. I can name 2 or 3 other posts that I know of in other people's journals in which you've done something similar - turned an innocuous post into an opportunity for you to spread the Ginny-hate. I'm confident if I ask around, I can find more examples.
We'll keep this discussion related to your blog entry, thanks.
Again, you're forgetting...my journal, and I happen to think your actions in other H/G fans' journals are relevant to this discussion, because it establishes a pattern of behavior. Plus - I'll thank you not to tell me what I can and can't discuss on my own journal.
Yes, your comment was trolling. If you were trying to incite a debate or evoke a certain reaction from me, that's trolling. It doesn't matter if you think it is or not.
http://wiki.fandomwank.com/index.php/Troll
It's nothing close to being the same.
How is it not the same? If that kind of behavior wouldn't be acceptable in Harry/Hermione, why do you think it's acceptable to do it here, or in other H/G fans journals? What makes you think it's okay to call Ginny a bitch in my journal?
you wouldn't be escalating things to be attacks on me as a troll
I'm not attacking you. I'm merely helping you see the error of your ways. I didn't say, "You're a Troll, Brad." I said "if your intent is to piss people off, that makes you a Troll." I noticed you skipped over that point (other than waving your comment away as "not trolling"). Whether or not I've debated with you in the past is beside this particular point. Is it your intention to get a rise out of someone when you post disparaging comments about Ginny in the journals of people you know full well disagree with you?
I'll let you know the "rules" after you answer the question.
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Heh. Don't put words in my mouth, Delylah; I'm trying to be fair here. Straw men are not welcome!
They both resorted to violence rather than words - Ginny with Magical, Hermione with physical.
Not quite - Ginny with both magical and physical.
Take the second (physical) case, of Ginny ramming into Smith with no warning:
... Ginny sped right on past them until, with an almighty crash, she collided with the commentators podium. As the crowd shrieked and laughed, the Gryffindor team landed beside the wreckage of wood under which Zacharias was feebly stirring,
An 'almighty crash' resulting in a 'wreckage of wood' and Smith 'feebly stirring'. Several orders of magnitude more severe than a mere slap in the face. That's why. No imagined Hermione bias required!
Again, you're forgetting...my journal
"Again"?
... and I happen to think your actions in other H/G fans' journals are relevant to this discussion, because it establishes a pattern of behavior.
Well, I happen to disagree. Of course I can't restrict you on what you want to say, but I think the pattern of behaviour of my posts in Delylah's journal are best established by looking at my posts in Delylah's journal! No need to reach elsewhere; doing so seems deliberately inflammatory on your part, actually.
Yes, your comment was trolling.
No, it wasn't. Because:
Is it your intention to get a rise out of someone when you post disparaging comments about Ginny in the journals of people you know full well disagree with you?
It was not my intent to get a rise out of you when I posted my comment to your blog entry.
There you go; question (restrained to you and I and my post of yesterday) answered. You don't need to suggest that I'm a troll any more, nor assist me to "see the error of [my] ways" (!). :-) :-)
You introduced a topic about Ginny; I pointed out how the canon contradicted your position. How was I to know that you "wish to keep your opinion" to yourself ... when you'd expressed part of that opinion in the first place? *scratches head*
Our four years of friendly exchanges was more than enough precedent for me to believe that my post yesterday would be welcomed. I stand behind that deduction completely, and I'm disappointed that you felt the need to bring up 'trolling' accusations and try to open up the discussion to seemingly encompass every post I've ever made on the internet (?!?) when you have all the Brad/Delylah evidence right at your fingertips. But that evidence shows that I'm not a troll, of course, which explains why you felt the need to dash elsewhere to prop up that theory. Still, I trust my answering the question has settled everything.
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