ASS-HATTERY! PURE ASS-HATTERY!

Jan 28, 2004 03:25

I MUST NOT READ TORONTO LJ community
I MUST NOT READ TORONTO LJ community

I MUST NOT READ TORONTO LJ community

I MUST NOT READ TORONTO LJ community

FUCK. I HATE PEOPLE. ALL CAPS POST!!

If you wanna know why, check out the 2 "debates" I got dragged into the last couple days -

HOMELESSNESS - the horribleness of some of the comments makes me want to slit my wrists.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/toronto/726697.html

For example:

Why I don't agree with you.
jainibeamoxy

Why do I have to support their (the homeless) ineptitude? I pay taxes, that goes towards primarely heath care, education, and welfare.
Homeless people have many options, yet very few of them actually want to do something about it.
[...]Any person that is worth my time has enough dignity to NOT go begging on the streets when they can contact their local welfare office and get assistance. These people DO NOT want help, they are mentally ill (in one way or another) and get sick pleasure from begging for MY money. I earned this money myself by working very hard for little pay and they have the NERVE to hassle me about giving it to them.
Go ahead, tell me I should throw my money away on some jerk who got himself homeless for a reason.

Annnnnnnd...here's an example of the level of debate:

yokes:
I generally believe in "helping people help themselves and if they don't want to help themselves.. that's their problem". I know that this doesn't apply to all homeless people, however I believe that it does apply to a lot of them. I would hazard a guess that 95% of those with the ability to actively beg for change[...]

defenestrator_
95%, huh? And what exactly do you base this belief on? Research? Personal experience? I don't mean anecdotal evidence (i.e. this one time, I gave someone some cash and the weren't grateful) - I mean, exactly how many people have you taken the time to get to know in order to gauge such a thing?
Or is it just really comfortable to believe that?

yokes:
2004-01-26 06:45
Even less than anecdotal, actually. Simply a hunch. Or, as I said, a guess. Do I typically hang out with homeless people to "get to know them"? Nope. However, that isn't required for my assumption to be true (that most able bodied non-mentally ill homeless, with some basic level of assistance, could, if they chose to, raise themselves out of that state).
BTW, you can make a much stronger rebuttal with resorting to condecending sarcasm.

defenestrator_
No sarcasm was intended. I asked you what you were basing your opinion on. Perhaps I was a bit skeptical, yes, but not sarcastic.

THIS is sarcasm: just because I haven't done any research into my belief that Pluto is made of cheese doesn't mean it MIGHT not be true.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/toronto/731564.html
GORD MARTINEAU'S STUPID COMMENTs
http://www.livejournal.com/community/toronto/731564.html
(which I wasn't even INTERESTED in until the JERKS there started saying that anyone who didn't think he was hilarious was a feminazi on a crusade. What I intended to be my only post - after a slew of guys stated that they thought Gord's repeated references to his dick were comedy GOLD) "I'm not gonna argue about it, cos it wouldn't change anyone's mind, but consider this a dissenting voice."

Eventually, it degenerated in me calling everyone an ASS HAT.

Someone even pulled out the tired "Im sick and tired of this P.C. bullshit where nobody can be funny anymore without being branded "offensive" and being forced to kiss ass and apoligize."

to which I said "That "I'm so tired of P.C. crap" argument is SO TIRED. You just make yourself look ignorant and dinosaur-y using it. It's a matter of kindness. If you care about other people, you try to not do things that you know will make them unhappy. It's not P.C., it's just manners. You don't have to understand WHY it would make them uncomfortable - you just have to care about their comfort, and hopefully they'll do the same. It's called "having a SOCIETY."

And at that point, all any of the dissenters had said was that they didn't think it was hilarious, and that the original posters stated that no one was offended based on the fact that they found it funny, which is a bit of a leap. I repeatedly stated that of course I did not know how the coworkers felt, but that it was an assumption to say either way. To which they said "apparently you're the only one who knows whether anyone was offended or not." READ, ASS-HAT!

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