Opening Argumentex_lovecrafMarch 15 2005, 03:14:08 UTC
The US Should Not Support Israel's Plan For A Preempitive Strike Against IranThe US must not support Israel should Israel decide to go ahead with it's plan for a preempitive strike against Iran's nuclear production facilities, or the consequences will be disastrous. The Bush Administration has embarked on a grand experiment in social engineering in it's attempt to create a democratic Iraq, and is already hampered in that effort by widely felt antipathy towards the experiment (which many see as only a smokescreen for imperialism), and by rampant mistrust of Israel and the continual appearance of collusion between the US and Israel
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I agree in principle with many of the points made by my opponent, but my analysis of their implications differs signifigantly. In truth, the US should not be seen to support any Israeli incursions into Iran. That gains nothing, and the costs are obvious. Those who believe we control Israel are not wanting for proof, those who do not will hear of none, and those who don't care, well...
But that is not to say that it isn't in our interests to /actually/ support an Israeli design on Iranian nuclear facilities. It is, from a necessarily cynical perspective, an excellent solution to what is otherwise a reasonably intractable problem: Iran will obtain nuclear weapons, eventually, without a military response of some sort. The present government is weak, but the hatred for Israel is strong, if perhaps less on a racial than a geopolitical level. Western culture itself is in my experience admired in its pragmatic form
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Re: Rebuttalex_lovecrafMarch 17 2005, 20:36:07 UTC
My opponent thinks that the US should covertly support Israel, which leads me to the conclusion that my opponent thinks the Arab world is really, really dumb.
It is common knowledge already that the US Department of Defense help Israel draft the plan of attack. More importantly, there is only one possible way to make the attack: Israel must fly through Iraqi airspace, an act which will require US approval.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia will not grant Israel permission to attack Iran through their airspaces - The Saudi government would lose control of it's populace where it to do such, and the Turkish government would not only face internal reprise, but would fear retaliation by Iranian missles. So that leaves Iraqi airspace as the only means Israel has of reaching.
This means there is no possibility of allowing the Israel attack and being seen as neutral or oppossed to the attack. It was partially our plan, the plan cannot be enacted without our permission. If we do as my opponent suggests and oppose the plan while allowing th
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My opponent thinks that the US should covertly support Israel, which leads me to the conclusion that my opponent thinks the Arab world is really, really dumb.
No, merely that those who will think this already think this, and will no matter what we do, such that it shouldn't really come into consideration.
It is common knowledge already that the US Department of Defense help Israel draft the plan of attack.
It's common knowledge that the moon landing was faked, and that Israel mistakenly attacked the USS Liberty. Common knowledge sometimes bears little relation to reality.
More importantly, there is only one possible way to make the attack: Israel must fly through Iraqi airspace, an act which will require US approval.
Assuming Israel isn't willing to violate another nations airspace to engage in the attack, and assuming that we cannot find any nation willing to participate along with us in faux-outrage. Neither assumption is warranted.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia will not grant Israel permission to attack Iran through their
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I think Iran should be allowed to develop nuclear power under the supervision of Russia and the UN. I think that most American's perceptions of Iran and it's government are extremely colored by American media, and completely unrealistic. I think worries that Iran will develop nuclear weapons are not unfounded, but the idea that they'll actually use them against Israel is insane. They are not any more crazy or self-destructive than the Russians were, and they are a hell of a lot closer to their target. A nuclear strike on Israel would prompt immediate reprisal, and the fallout would literally float right to Iran.
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But that is not to say that it isn't in our interests to /actually/ support an Israeli design on Iranian nuclear facilities. It is, from a necessarily cynical perspective, an excellent solution to what is otherwise a reasonably intractable problem: Iran will obtain nuclear weapons, eventually, without a military response of some sort. The present government is weak, but the hatred for Israel is strong, if perhaps less on a racial than a geopolitical level. Western culture itself is in my experience admired in its pragmatic form ( ... )
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It is common knowledge already that the US Department of Defense help Israel draft the plan of attack. More importantly, there is only one possible way to make the attack: Israel must fly through Iraqi airspace, an act which will require US approval.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia will not grant Israel permission to attack Iran through their airspaces - The Saudi government would lose control of it's populace where it to do such, and the Turkish government would not only face internal reprise, but would fear retaliation by Iranian missles. So that leaves Iraqi airspace as the only means Israel has of reaching.
This means there is no possibility of allowing the Israel attack and being seen as neutral or oppossed to the attack. It was partially our plan, the plan cannot be enacted without our permission. If we do as my opponent suggests and oppose the plan while allowing th ( ... )
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No, merely that those who will think this already think this, and will no matter what we do, such that it shouldn't really come into consideration.
It is common knowledge already that the US Department of Defense help Israel draft the plan of attack.
It's common knowledge that the moon landing was faked, and that Israel mistakenly attacked the USS Liberty. Common knowledge sometimes bears little relation to reality.
More importantly, there is only one possible way to make the attack: Israel must fly through Iraqi airspace, an act which will require US approval.
Assuming Israel isn't willing to violate another nations airspace to engage in the attack, and assuming that we cannot find any nation willing to participate along with us in faux-outrage. Neither assumption is warranted.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia will not grant Israel permission to attack Iran through their ( ... )
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Just curious...forget the rules of the debate, what do you REALLY think the solution is to the Iran thing?
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