I forget, did Voldemort laugh while or after killing Lily? Because if so, maybe the AK would have damaged any spell surrounding the crib, since Lily was standing right in front of it. Then Harry could have heard the laugh at any point from the point Lily died up to when the curse rebounded.
Re: Curses, foiled again!danajsparksNovember 17 2011, 19:45:36 UTC
Hmmm, the sequence of sounds that Harry remembers hearing in PoA is different from what Voldemort remembers hearing. From chapter 12 of PoA: White fog obscured his senses… big, blurred shapes were moving around him… then came a new voice, a man’s voice, shouting, panicking -
“Lily, take Harry and go! It’s him! Go! Run! I’ll hold him off -”
The sounds of someone stumbling from a room - a door bursting open - a cackle of high- pitched laughter -
So the aural sequence is: Dad shouting. Stumble. Bang. Laughter....
I don't know how we account for the fact that James shouts before the door bursts open in PoA but afterwards in DH.
A RL Similar Situation oneandthetruthNovember 17 2011, 03:44:01 UTC
This is ingenious, but it's not realistic. I'm basing on my opinion on a similar experience I had when I was a little older than Harry. Although it was 50 years ago, I still remember it very clearly
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Re: A RL Similar Situation oneandthetruthNovember 19 2011, 23:16:21 UTC
Don't you think it's possible that by 2 1/2 you had learned that when mommy starts yelling it's usually not something the baby has to worry about, since you *did* start screaming when you realized there was a serious problem?Yeah, that occurred to me after I'd posted that. I'm the youngest child in my family, and my parents' marriage was in the toilet several years before I was born. Although I don't remember it that way, things must have been pretty tense in our house, particularly since that house wasn't big enough for a family of six
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That makes a lot of sense, but I doubt that it is something that JKR would have thought of. She seems to have a history of not thinking things through, sadly.
----What sort of monstrous baby would not get even slightly upset at hearing his mother screaming and begging for mercy, followed by her falling down?
Perhaps a baby who was so traumatized that he had gone into a state of shock.
We have to keep in mind that we're reading Harry's reaction to his mother's death from Tom's perspective, and by then Tom had long lost whatever capacity he might have ever had for empathizing with a toddler. Tom may believe that Harry was calmly watching everything with "bright interest," but this might not be at all what Harry was actually thinking and feeling.
A search on Google for "babies and trauma" links to a page from the Australian government saying that common reactions to trauma in babies and toddlers include A kind of ‘frozen watchfulness’ - the child may have a ‘shocked’ look and Giving the appearance of being numb and not showing their feelings or seeming a bit ‘cut off’ from what is happening around them.Recall how many people's immediate response to watching the WTC towers fall on 9/11 was
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Possible. But at some point Harry pulled himself up to watch the proceedings after being unceremoniously dumped into his crib, so he wasn't quite frozen, and this was after his parents had started yelling and his mother in particular was beginning to panic and throw things against the door. He also starts crying after only after Tom enters his field of vision and Harry has time to register him and recognize him as a stranger. It's possible that that would be enough stimulus to jerk him out of his shock, but it's a little odd that the presence of a stranger would do so as opposed to any of the sudden shifts in his mother's behavior (screaming to blockading the door to cradling him to crying to begging to silence). Of course, Harry isn't the brightest of characters ever penned. Maybe it just took him a while to process everything...
Whether or not the dementor induced recollections are actually Harry's is a bit debatable. It is possible that the memories were pulled from the partially split horcrux, and not Harry himself.
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“Lily, take Harry and go! It’s him! Go! Run! I’ll hold him off -”
The sounds of someone stumbling from a room - a door bursting open - a cackle of high- pitched laughter -
So the aural sequence is: Dad shouting. Stumble. Bang. Laughter....
I don't know how we account for the fact that James shouts before the door bursts open in PoA but afterwards in DH.
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Perhaps a baby who was so traumatized that he had gone into a state of shock.
We have to keep in mind that we're reading Harry's reaction to his mother's death from Tom's perspective, and by then Tom had long lost whatever capacity he might have ever had for empathizing with a toddler. Tom may believe that Harry was calmly watching everything with "bright interest," but this might not be at all what Harry was actually thinking and feeling.
A search on Google for "babies and trauma" links to a page from the Australian government saying that common reactions to trauma in babies and toddlers include A kind of ‘frozen watchfulness’ - the child may have a ‘shocked’ look and Giving the appearance of being numb and not showing their feelings or seeming a bit ‘cut off’ from what is happening around them.Recall how many people's immediate response to watching the WTC towers fall on 9/11 was ( ... )
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Whether or not the dementor induced recollections are actually Harry's is a bit debatable. It is possible that the memories were pulled from the partially split horcrux, and not Harry himself.
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