It's the Sun, stupid!

Jul 11, 2007 14:57

More recent observations indicate that Mars' south pole is continuing to melt. "It's evaporating right now at a prodigious rate," says Michael Malin, principal investigator for the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC). The pits in the ice are growing by about 3 meters per year. Malin states that conditions on Mars are not currently conductive to the ( Read more... )

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jbriggs July 11 2007, 22:30:55 UTC
Please refer to the following reports. You can easily deduce that "Its the science, stupid!"

Changes in Solar Brightness Too Weak to Explain Global Warming
Variations in Solar Luminosity and their effect on the Earth's climate

This graph demonstrates that the Earths temperature has been declining as we enter(ed) a new Ice age until about 1750, which directly coincides with the start of the Industrial revolution.

HTH d^;

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darrelx July 11 2007, 22:47:36 UTC
I perused your articles, and provide one for you to read:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030321075236.htm

"Although the inferred increase of solar irradiance in 24 years, about 0.1 percent, is not enough to cause notable climate change, the trend would be important if maintained for a century or more. Satellite observations of total solar irradiance have obtained a long enough record (over 24 years) to begin looking for this effect."Paraphrasing the rest of the article: We've only been tracking the TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) since 1970, and even though that's only increased by .1% (not enough on its own to explain global warming) if extrapolated as a trend over the last Century or more can easily explain the warming through the 19th and 20th centuries ( ... )

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jbriggs July 11 2007, 23:08:51 UTC
Nasa drops Climate Monitoring from its Mission Statement reports that due to political pressure NASA was no longer to study Climate Change.

Furthermore, NASA shelves climate satellites reports that NASA has drastically reduced its study of climate change due to political pressure.

Political appointee Michael Griffin, not a scientist, has issued a gag order on NASA scientists prohibiting them from speaking about climate change. here he draws criticism from scientists. "NASA's position is that it provides scientific data on the issue, but policymakers are the ones who decide."

I therefore wouldn't put much faith in what NASA says on the issue until they get an independent administrator without a political agenda.

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darrelx July 12 2007, 16:15:43 UTC
There is no doubt that this is a highly debated issue, with not enough evidence to PROVE either side. However, your cites to articles are ridiculous...

The first two articles you cited have headlines that don't even apply to the topic covered in the article. The headlines themselves are biased commentary on the article... and the meat of the article doesn't really support your opinion. All the articles refer to is that NASA's primary mission has changed to be more in line with the president's policy of space exploration... the headlines are B.S. spin-doctoring from a biased editor.

The third article you cited says that Griffin's position is that global warming may not be a bad thing -- who are we to say that the current climate is the best climate for humans? (paraphrased) Then it cites a few people criticizing him for that position ( ... )

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jbriggs July 12 2007, 17:25:14 UTC
"However, your cites to articles are ridiculous..."

No more ridiculous than your references. I trust data that is collected by thousands of scientists, regardless of their funding, that jives with data from other thousands of scientists.

Regardless, I wonder why I bother to even read your journal anymore. You clearly are trolling for conflict and I don't need the agitation these days. HAND

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darrelx July 12 2007, 17:37:45 UTC
A troll is someone who posts inflammatory comments to someone else's opinion to elicit a response.

I've been posting my own frustration with current political situations in my own journal, which you may choose to read or not... that's not trolling.

You, however, fit the very definition of a troll, posting in *my* journal a response designed to illicit conflicting opinion.

You don't need the agitation and you are free to leave. Buh-bye... don't let the virtual door hit you in the ass.

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esprix July 12 2007, 17:52:52 UTC
Darrel, I find it specious of you to say you don't post politically charged entries and then expect no one to disagree with you.

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roycalbeck July 12 2007, 20:10:41 UTC
Darrel has a point in that his opponent hasn't been supporting his position with any actual facts. Seriously, read the article...there AREN'T "thousands of scientists" on jbriggs' side. There are "several researchers" who took issue with renaming the NASA mission statement, period.

Quoting someone else's opinions to reinforce one's own doesn't prove validity.

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esprix July 13 2007, 15:01:11 UTC
Regardless of validity, Darrel enjoys the arguments. We know this. It amuses us. :)

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darrelx July 12 2007, 23:15:51 UTC
I didn't say anything of the sort. I was responding to being accused of trolling, when in fact I was posting in my own journal... You can't be a troll in your own journal.

If I was posting off-topic in another forum, that'd be trolling. If I was spouting anti-muslim rhetoric in C.A.I.R.'s community, that'd be trolling. (and sounds like fun, actually...) But posting one's opinion in their OWN journal is not "trolling for conflict" as Jim put it.

I also never said I don't expect people to disagree with me, but when they disagree with me in my own journal, I respond. That's not trolling.

What happened last week in Patgund's journal is another matter... I disagreed with his opinion in his journal, and he started screening my posts as a result. I'd expect no less (and in fact have done that to people in my journal in the past) and don't blame him a bit for it.

;)

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esprix July 13 2007, 15:02:08 UTC
Oh, come on, Darrel - you love arguing, and that's one of the reasons you post these posts in your LJ the way you do. I know you better than that. :P

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darrelx July 13 2007, 15:42:36 UTC
Quite right.

I enjoy intelligent argument and thoughtful debate. It promotes thinking and awareness. Listening to opposing views (unless they are simply riddled with snipes and sarcasm) is always entertaining, not to mention educational.

Trolling, however, is not looking for argument as much as it is looking to anger. I don't do that.

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roycalbeck July 12 2007, 20:07:55 UTC
Ahem. NASA did NOT "drop Climate Monitoring from its Mission Statement".

The article you cite clearly says that the statement was changed to delete "understand and protect our home planet" in favor of "to pioneer the future in space exploration, scientific discovery and aeronautics research".

The new wording, in no way, requires NASA to drop planetary monitoring. I doubt that "scientific discovery" could possibly be interpreted as "NOT understanding our home planet". As to "protect", in what meaningful way could NASA perform such a mission? Nuking pollution centers from orbit?

Furthermore, the original "understand and protect" clause was written in 2002 --- not prior to Bush's presidency. NASA's own spokesman stated in your article that the reason for the rewording was to refocus on manned exploration of the Moon and Mars, policies that Clinton publically ordered removed from NASA's mission objectives during the '90s.

I call that an improvement, however minor it may be.

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