This was an episode that was good, but felt out of place - it's like a missing episode from the too-short Season 3. Or rather, that's where I'd have loved to have seen this - not that it wasn't excellent here.
I felt a little the way you did right after watching it. Rather disappointed with the "simple" ghost episode (expecting something bigger), hard to accept the new young Dean (although as you said - superb actor) and no new theme or developments to discuss
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Yes, as I've written, I like it so much better when they're getting along and it's the world around them creating the drama.
As far as John is concerned, the actual father was out of the picture after the Season 2 premiere. But we're told his story through the eyes of others. In "Lucifer Rising" Bobby tells Dean he's a better man than his father. A running theme through the series is that John taught Dean to be a good soldier (and as a former Marine, I think John Winchester would be a pretty scary guy). "Daddy's blunt little instrument" was a phrase used in an earlier season.
I agree, hunting monsters is fun for an episode or two, but the show has gone way past that in terms of overall storyline.
As far as John is concerned, the actual father was out of the picture after the Season 2 premiere.
Exactly. People are hating him based on what other people said about him or how Dean felt and it is really biased. There is no real understanding of why John did what he did. By the way - it was not John that said Dean was a blunt intstrument... it was Dean himself, wasn't it? And Bobby saying Dean was more of a man than John ever was... was about how John pushed Sam away instead of trying to bring him back. But I don't think Bobby knew that John went to check on Sam whenever he could and although Sam and dad both were stubborn SOBs, they ended up understanding eachother and John respected the men that Sam and Dean had become in the end.
Bobby was unhappy about how John was raising his kids, but Bobby never had kids and never wanted them. If he had kids to raise after he had to kill his wife, do you think he could have done any better?
I guess people just want someone to hate real bad. It is really sad.
You're right, Dean's subconscious used that phrase. Here's the conversation between Bobby and Dean have in "Lucifer Rising". Don't forget, Bobby knew John for a long time.
Dean Winchester: I told him, "you walk out that door, don't come back" and he walked out anyway! That was his choice!
Bobby Singer: You sound like a whiny brat. No, you sound like your dad. Well, let me tell you something: Your dad was a coward.
Dean Winchester: My dad was a lot of things, Bobby, but a coward?
Bobby Singer: He'd rather push Sam away than reach out to him. That don't strike me as brave. You are a better man than your daddy ever was. So you do both of us a favor. Don't be him.
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My friend's very first comment upon the introduction of Timmy was "... don't name a character 'Timmy,'" for the very reason you indicated.
The part that most has me in stitches is the comparison of actors who've played "young Dean." I'm glad Jackles didn't go to your high school.
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And yes, no Zeke crap this week - the whole Zeke thing is stupid as all get out.
Dean needs hugs after this episode. Then we need to go back in time and punch John in the face.
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Yes!
What do you mean in the first sentence about S3?
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As far as John is concerned, the actual father was out of the picture after the Season 2 premiere. But we're told his story through the eyes of others. In "Lucifer Rising" Bobby tells Dean he's a better man than his father. A running theme through the series is that John taught Dean to be a good soldier (and as a former Marine, I think John Winchester would be a pretty scary guy). "Daddy's blunt little instrument" was a phrase used in an earlier season.
I agree, hunting monsters is fun for an episode or two, but the show has gone way past that in terms of overall storyline.
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Exactly. People are hating him based on what other people said about him or how Dean felt and it is really biased. There is no real understanding of why John did what he did. By the way - it was not John that said Dean was a blunt intstrument... it was Dean himself, wasn't it? And Bobby saying Dean was more of a man than John ever was... was about how John pushed Sam away instead of trying to bring him back. But I don't think Bobby knew that John went to check on Sam whenever he could and although Sam and dad both were stubborn SOBs, they ended up understanding eachother and John respected the men that Sam and Dean had become in the end.
Bobby was unhappy about how John was raising his kids, but Bobby never had kids and never wanted them. If he had kids to raise after he had to kill his wife, do you think he could have done any better?
I guess people just want someone to hate real bad. It is really sad.
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Dean Winchester: I told him, "you walk out that door, don't come back" and he walked out anyway! That was his choice!
Bobby Singer: You sound like a whiny brat. No, you sound like your dad. Well, let me tell you something: Your dad was a coward.
Dean Winchester: My dad was a lot of things, Bobby, but a coward?
Bobby Singer: He'd rather push Sam away than reach out to him. That don't strike me as brave. You are a better man than your daddy ever was. So you do both of us a favor. Don't be him.
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