when music is supposed to be just drama-less music & nothing should hurt...
"Just not too much auto-tune." "They should tone down the auto-tune if they want to improve their music."
Honestly? I'm sick of this cliched, tired and tried criticism on pop music, especially on the new ones out today. It's also always from people who think they know how the whole music industry works when all they really think about is how the singing talent should be the only thing to make a good song go round. They've never even been inside a recording booth/venue. Also, don't start with me because I've been there - I used to dislike auto-tune, too - so I know and I was a huge stan of American Idol, Pop Idol, Australian and South African Idol that I was completely saturated in talented singing back then. But if that were the case, that we're only going to focus on flawless singing, the music world would be one boring, bland thing of the past I probably would've gotten over with by now. Especially now that my itunes is a schizophrenic thing that mixes a lot of pop, punk, electronic-music from the 80s to the 90s to the 2000s, from the indies to the mainstream and I'm looking to add more. Also, FUCK YOU who can't appreciate these things because you're boring.
It's like these people never grew up around late 80s-90s pop music that used synth a lot. I grew up around Rick Astley in the late 80s segueing towards the early 90s thanks to my teeny bopper aunts from the maternal side of the family and the local pop-music playing radio stations at that time. Also, one of them exposed me to a lot of really good film soundtracks like Ghost's Unchained Melody and the more superior, Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now from the film, Mannequin. Seriously, where have you guys been when I was bopping my nubile 3-5 years old head/self to glorious synthed pop that derived from the dance-oriented 80s' New Wave genre? Duran Duran? A-ha? Culture Club? And for the jpop side, even before I knew Jpop: Globe? Pizzicato 5? Considering it's synthed pop, it very likely used the auto-tune as that one is technicaly a synthesizer focusing on the vocals. You guys disappoint me, frankly speaking. This is why you can never appreciate good pop music coming out today and all you do is criticize new music pointlessly. You don't even listen to a variety of them.
I get it you want to be different and you want to be recognized for your singing prowess - to be honest, you're just a try-hard like the rest of the generic music copycatting belters out there, you're no different - but it gives you no legit right to criticize new pop music when you don't even know a tinsy bit of pop music history especially the machinery that produce it.
Also, it's not like your female Jidols do not use auto-tune because they actually do. More than half the jidol industry can't, for the life of them, sing, honestly speaking. The same with Johnny's & Associates. Plus there's no ounce of creativity in their bones. It's always the same boring masquerading as happy music that they churn out on a yearly basis it's getting tiring to listen to. Or your faves. Do you want me to tear them apart to you? See those buttons on outside of the record booths? One or some of those function similarly to auto-tune. So your faves saying they're not auto-tuning are likely feeding you bullshit. (Except maybe Martina McBride and Celine Dion - but I don't care much for Celine because she got boring to me so faster than a blinking eye.) Let me reiterate, AUTO-TUNE IS A SOUND/VOICE SYNTHESIZER MUCH LIKE A VOCODER IS. It's integral and needed if you want a good record to come out of the recording process.
If you're going tell me synth pop is not music because it uses auto-tune and synthesizers, please get the fuck out of the fandom and live your boring real lives away from me I don't really care much for. I don't need you here also your opinions are irrelevant. This isn't your fucking playground that you would have the guts to criticize every artist that comes out with new material. You don't even have an inkling of what goes on within the machinery of the pop music industry.
Also, if you're going to go the route of accusing me of not knowing my basic music theory: I took 2-3 years of classical singing lessons, I went through 2-3 grades (Kinder, grade 1 and 2) in classical piano, I self-teach myself the guitar. I know my music staff, my g and f clefs, my notes, my rhythm, my sharps and flats among others. And I may be rusty in note reading and not the fastest at it but I have an inkling of music theory because of my musical roots and the irrevocable fact that is: MY LIFE REVOLVED AND CONTINUES TO REVOLVE AROUND MUSIC SINCE I FIRST TOOK THE GUITAR AT AROUND AGE 11-12. Before that, it was boybands for me but that was the early to mid 90s. Yep, TRY ME. When I got home from my music lessons, I used to lock myself up in my room and belt Carrie Underwood stuff and Kelly Clarkson stuff to test my newly acquired bordering on mezzo soprano range. My love for pop music is just greater than my love for classic, traditional music, however and experimental pop that utilizes a lot of synthesizers including auto-tune is now the best kind in my book. It's also the hardest to replicate or play live because like the Petshop Boys fired to critics of the use of playback tracks or backing tracks during lives in the case of electronic-music, it's a mess if those didn't exist and artists had to really play their electro-music live with separate techs. You are aware that the issue on the use of playback tracks/backing tracks in lives were a bigger issue in the pop music world in the 90s more than auto-tune was, right? No? Let me jog your memory back to the early days of Channel V and MTV: TOP OF THE POPS had many artists complain about the use of playback tracks on their segments. Elton John accused Madonna of lipsynching in her concerts because she used playback tracks/backing tracks.
I don't think you guys really get the mechanisms of pop music, it's industry, it's rich history, the highly creative minds behind it especially the indie ones that still give us really good synth pop music to this date: Passion Pit for one. Maybe even Sun Airway. More than the fact that I feel sorry for your estranged-ness to this side of music, I pity you for your backward thinking. It's like the rest of us have moved forward to past the 21st century and you're still stuck there around the 60s-70s. It's a sad thing really. You don't even deserve the title of: music lover/music enthusiast and if you ever self-label as a pop music genius and are this much of a hypocrite re: synthesizers, I suggest you get out now before I...I don't know. I've stopped caring already for people with really limited views on pop music. It's useless anyway. And I'm just pointlessly spending energy I should be using for other things.
Yep, sure singing is the more important thing in music. Please. I've had enough of your delusions. The better pop music these days are those that root from the underground edm-synth pop movement. They have been so for about 3 decades and counting now. Especially those that have found the healthy balance between really good singing, good musical arrangement and the healthy, tasteful use of synth. And in Japan, that's Avex (and Universal Music Japan, etc) for you, peasants.
You see, I've moved on from just being fixated on artists/people who can sing. THEY ARE NOT SOLELY WHAT MAKES MUSIC GLORIOUS. You cannot simply discount or discredit the people who work hard behind them to give them the best records around that shoot up to the music charts on their release date. These people include the (multi)-instrumentalists, the DJ-producers (AVICII, ZEDD, Martin Garrix, Tiesto, etc), the sound techs, cleaners and they all report to the SOUND/MUSIC PRODUCER *cough*OneRepublic's Ryan Tedder*cough*. So basically, saying you don't like/hate auto-tune and other kinds of synthesizers is indirectly attacking these professionals that give you good pop music to stan. It's basically a desecration to pop music and music as a whole especially when it is advancing without your help with your so-called 'legit' but not really criticism. You're actually just embarrasing yourself (like Elton did vs Madonna that he had to retract his statement partly later on...).
Honestly just singing is boring. Plus the competition is just as boring because you're pretty sure there's always someone who'll be better than you at it. If you want to stay in the dark ages of music and remain just boring, that's you. But I'm pretty sure it'll be mess if you tried to stan some things music that I don't care much for...
Say something against auto-tune and playback tracks/backing tracks in lives especially to me one more time and you can face my schizophrenic itunes playlist, my headphones and miniscule but fierce speakers. You can converse with them. I'm done speaking with you.
kg*
Also, P.S.
Singers who can sing well actually also use auto-tune. They consider it a safety-net: Shania Twain for one. I'm pretty sure there are others aside from her.
Honestly? I'm sick of this cliched, tired and tried criticism on pop music, especially on the new ones out today. It's also always from people who think they know how the whole music industry works when all they really think about is how the singing talent should be the only thing to make a good song go round. They've never even been inside a recording booth/venue. Also, don't start with me because I've been there - I used to dislike auto-tune, too - so I know and I was a huge stan of American Idol, Pop Idol, Australian and South African Idol that I was completely saturated in talented singing back then. But if that were the case, that we're only going to focus on flawless singing, the music world would be one boring, bland thing of the past I probably would've gotten over with by now. Especially now that my itunes is a schizophrenic thing that mixes a lot of pop, punk, electronic-music from the 80s to the 90s to the 2000s, from the indies to the mainstream and I'm looking to add more. Also, FUCK YOU who can't appreciate these things because you're boring.
It's like these people never grew up around late 80s-90s pop music that used synth a lot. I grew up around Rick Astley in the late 80s segueing towards the early 90s thanks to my teeny bopper aunts from the maternal side of the family and the local pop-music playing radio stations at that time. Also, one of them exposed me to a lot of really good film soundtracks like Ghost's Unchained Melody and the more superior, Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now from the film, Mannequin. Seriously, where have you guys been when I was bopping my nubile 3-5 years old head/self to glorious synthed pop that derived from the dance-oriented 80s' New Wave genre? Duran Duran? A-ha? Culture Club? And for the jpop side, even before I knew Jpop: Globe? Pizzicato 5? Considering it's synthed pop, it very likely used the auto-tune as that one is technicaly a synthesizer focusing on the vocals. You guys disappoint me, frankly speaking. This is why you can never appreciate good pop music coming out today and all you do is criticize new music pointlessly. You don't even listen to a variety of them.
I get it you want to be different and you want to be recognized for your singing prowess - to be honest, you're just a try-hard like the rest of the generic music copycatting belters out there, you're no different - but it gives you no legit right to criticize new pop music when you don't even know a tinsy bit of pop music history especially the machinery that produce it.
Also, it's not like your female Jidols do not use auto-tune because they actually do. More than half the jidol industry can't, for the life of them, sing, honestly speaking. The same with Johnny's & Associates. Plus there's no ounce of creativity in their bones. It's always the same boring masquerading as happy music that they churn out on a yearly basis it's getting tiring to listen to. Or your faves. Do you want me to tear them apart to you? See those buttons on outside of the record booths? One or some of those function similarly to auto-tune. So your faves saying they're not auto-tuning are likely feeding you bullshit. (Except maybe Martina McBride and Celine Dion - but I don't care much for Celine because she got boring to me so faster than a blinking eye.) Let me reiterate, AUTO-TUNE IS A SOUND/VOICE SYNTHESIZER MUCH LIKE A VOCODER IS. It's integral and needed if you want a good record to come out of the recording process.
If you're going tell me synth pop is not music because it uses auto-tune and synthesizers, please get the fuck out of the fandom and live your boring real lives away from me I don't really care much for. I don't need you here also your opinions are irrelevant. This isn't your fucking playground that you would have the guts to criticize every artist that comes out with new material. You don't even have an inkling of what goes on within the machinery of the pop music industry.
Also, if you're going to go the route of accusing me of not knowing my basic music theory: I took 2-3 years of classical singing lessons, I went through 2-3 grades (Kinder, grade 1 and 2) in classical piano, I self-teach myself the guitar. I know my music staff, my g and f clefs, my notes, my rhythm, my sharps and flats among others. And I may be rusty in note reading and not the fastest at it but I have an inkling of music theory because of my musical roots and the irrevocable fact that is: MY LIFE REVOLVED AND CONTINUES TO REVOLVE AROUND MUSIC SINCE I FIRST TOOK THE GUITAR AT AROUND AGE 11-12. Before that, it was boybands for me but that was the early to mid 90s. Yep, TRY ME. When I got home from my music lessons, I used to lock myself up in my room and belt Carrie Underwood stuff and Kelly Clarkson stuff to test my newly acquired bordering on mezzo soprano range. My love for pop music is just greater than my love for classic, traditional music, however and experimental pop that utilizes a lot of synthesizers including auto-tune is now the best kind in my book. It's also the hardest to replicate or play live because like the Petshop Boys fired to critics of the use of playback tracks or backing tracks during lives in the case of electronic-music, it's a mess if those didn't exist and artists had to really play their electro-music live with separate techs. You are aware that the issue on the use of playback tracks/backing tracks in lives were a bigger issue in the pop music world in the 90s more than auto-tune was, right? No? Let me jog your memory back to the early days of Channel V and MTV: TOP OF THE POPS had many artists complain about the use of playback tracks on their segments. Elton John accused Madonna of lipsynching in her concerts because she used playback tracks/backing tracks.
I don't think you guys really get the mechanisms of pop music, it's industry, it's rich history, the highly creative minds behind it especially the indie ones that still give us really good synth pop music to this date: Passion Pit for one. Maybe even Sun Airway. More than the fact that I feel sorry for your estranged-ness to this side of music, I pity you for your backward thinking. It's like the rest of us have moved forward to past the 21st century and you're still stuck there around the 60s-70s. It's a sad thing really. You don't even deserve the title of: music lover/music enthusiast and if you ever self-label as a pop music genius and are this much of a hypocrite re: synthesizers, I suggest you get out now before I...I don't know. I've stopped caring already for people with really limited views on pop music. It's useless anyway. And I'm just pointlessly spending energy I should be using for other things.
Yep, sure singing is the more important thing in music. Please. I've had enough of your delusions. The better pop music these days are those that root from the underground edm-synth pop movement. They have been so for about 3 decades and counting now. Especially those that have found the healthy balance between really good singing, good musical arrangement and the healthy, tasteful use of synth. And in Japan, that's Avex (and Universal Music Japan, etc) for you, peasants.
You see, I've moved on from just being fixated on artists/people who can sing. THEY ARE NOT SOLELY WHAT MAKES MUSIC GLORIOUS. You cannot simply discount or discredit the people who work hard behind them to give them the best records around that shoot up to the music charts on their release date. These people include the (multi)-instrumentalists, the DJ-producers (AVICII, ZEDD, Martin Garrix, Tiesto, etc), the sound techs, cleaners and they all report to the SOUND/MUSIC PRODUCER *cough*OneRepublic's Ryan Tedder*cough*. So basically, saying you don't like/hate auto-tune and other kinds of synthesizers is indirectly attacking these professionals that give you good pop music to stan. It's basically a desecration to pop music and music as a whole especially when it is advancing without your help with your so-called 'legit' but not really criticism. You're actually just embarrasing yourself (like Elton did vs Madonna that he had to retract his statement partly later on...).
Honestly just singing is boring. Plus the competition is just as boring because you're pretty sure there's always someone who'll be better than you at it. If you want to stay in the dark ages of music and remain just boring, that's you. But I'm pretty sure it'll be mess if you tried to stan some things music that I don't care much for...
Say something against auto-tune and playback tracks/backing tracks in lives especially to me one more time and you can face my schizophrenic itunes playlist, my headphones and miniscule but fierce speakers. You can converse with them. I'm done speaking with you.
kg*
Also, P.S.
Singers who can sing well actually also use auto-tune. They consider it a safety-net: Shania Twain for one. I'm pretty sure there are others aside from her.